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adam florin
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Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:55:05 -0500
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[idm] Re: Scott Herren and ATL (who y'all rollin with)
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jon anderson wrote :
quoted 3 lines good point. often the most earnest attempts at>good point. often the most earnest attempts at >"representing region" while working with a foreign >style produce the most nauseating results.
i'm glad you used the word 'represent'--remember that most hip-hoppers making music belong to some kind of CREW, be it cash money or wu-tang or nwa. i read once that the gescom 'crew' was spawned by booth/browne's hip-hop roots. idm is lonely bastard music, and laptop producer whores find it fashionable to be on as many labels as possible, in as many countries as they can. but honestly they can't REPRESENT adam piontek, before his post dissipated into total misunderstanding ("Face it man, you're trying to tell people to not be inventive"--absurd!), stressed that music is not a culture itself. no, the sounds aren't a culture, but the scene that grows around various artists/aesthetics then lifestyles DOES constitute a culture, and hip-hop IS a culture as well as a genre. n johnston is concerned about our little 'idm culture' (oxymoron? jk), and says that it does 'reflect the culture of technologised Western late-capitalist society'. of course there is SOME culture, some number of protocols (musical style, as well as lots of num3rals + punkktuat!on ////uz[e]d in.writing++++, etc.), but on the whole nothing binds us but musical taste. why ? probably because we are geographically seperated (the internet fools us). i don't know who any of you are ; i don't know if you are my friends or not. there is no idm cinema or theatre ; no identifiable idm recreational activities, no particular idm drugs (dex ? ha.) ; there are hardly even any idm nightclubs. hip-hop has all of these, and they define the culture. props to skism : 'Everyone knows the 4 pillars of hip-hop... emceeing, djing, breaking & graffiti'... what armchair charlie was stressing from the beginning is that an artist OUGHT to be aware of the cultural context he is pouring his creative efforts into. nobody would attempt compose in the manner of mozart (since he seems to be the most fucking popular example on this list next to afx) without learning a high level of music theory. and no ignorant techno rube can expect to walk into a hip-hop joint and expect to impress everybody with his untrained ability. it's been said a few times already, this idm attitude of 'let's chop up hip-hop and call it hip-hop' is bullocks. when hip-hoppers began sampling jazz, they didn't start calling their music jazz. the fact is it's hip-hop as seen through the DSP-eye, which sees all soundwaves in sixteenth-note sized chunks that it can rearrange in a random order over a gritty 4/4 beat. no one is safe from the ravenous DSP-beast... keep the children home tonight, they might find themselves REMIXED in the morning ! SAVE YOURSELVES. .af. ps; speaking of people overstepping their little cultures, i just got 'lily of the valley'--who the hell is jeswa ? some nice electroacoustic music, but how'd it get on an idm disc ? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org