But if you wanted to call opera music without singing opera, you could do
that, if you felt a strong need to make it fit your purpose artistically to
do so. That is my point. Shall I expand this thought to make sure it's
blatant? Ok, I will, to avoid being talked down to anymore about what
"classical" music is--
But what if someone came along and said they were revolutionizing opera,
building opera from the ground up, whatever.....and their opera which had
an orchestra and some jazz elements too (how revolutionary!!!) had no
singing? And then what if all the people that listened to jazz music came
over and proclaimed it was the best opera ever? That's pretty fucking dumb
to me.
I think people are using hip-hop when they talk about rap music in this
discussion, at least that's what I am getting from it, because all the
people they are name checking are rap artists. To me, hip-hop denotes the
culuture of b-boys, turntablists, graf artists, and mcs and not just a
musical style. But I think more recently people have reacquisitioned the
term to also refer to the same thing which rap music does. I think if you
talked to anyone that listened to rap / hip-hop as their main diet of music
would tell you that hip-hop without understable flows is "instrumental
hip-hop".
But then again, I'm from the south, so it's probably just all this southern
stuff I've been listening to which shapes my views.
At 12:31 PM 2/21/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 44 lines Hmm... Opera music without vocals is classical music.>Hmm... Opera music without vocals is classical music.
>
>I always thought of Hip-hop as being about the style of the *music* - I mean
>the beats, etc. I thought the vocals were called Rap. That's why people
>talk about Rap & Hip-hop, not just one or the other.
>
>But then I know next to nothing about Hip-hop (seriously) or its history, I
>only know what I've picked up from other people's discussions/the media.
>
>So are vocals a definitive necessity of Hip-hop? If so, what would you call
>the underlying musical style? Because As I said at the top, Opera is
>classical music, minus the singing.
>
>Actually, Opera is a theatrical form, so it would also require a stage and
>storyline, etc. etc. Just singing and classical music is technically, well,
>singing and classical music.
>
>as i understand it...
>-adam
>np: Fizzarum - Monochrome Plural ... Fizzarum, Proem, and Gimmik seem bound
>together in my CD player lately, although I would rank Fizzarum as "not as
>exciting as" the other two. That's just me, though.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Wright [mailto:bill@subtr.ac]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:21 PM
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [idm] Scott Herren and ATL
>
>
>Hip-hop without understandable flows is like opera music without
>singing....yeah I guess it's still opera music if you say it is, but I
>don't really see why you want to call it opera......
>
>
>
> >To say that the approach to hiphop sanz-lyric is not hiphop is just
> >bullshit, the more respected producers arent noted for "giving a beat that
> >doesnt get in the way of the rapper".
>
>
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