quoted 17 lines No. No i'm not. Please, everyone, don't let this statement or a similar>
>No. No i'm not. Please, everyone, don't let this statement or a similar
>one be the thing that suedes you away from my consideration. The
>comparison you made with classical music is invalid because classical
>music no longer culturally saturated. The things that made made it what
>it was are gone.
>So now the music is just there, nostalgic, with no coating. Hip-hop is
>wholly different. Hip-hop is culturally dependent and relevant. IDM is
>not cuz it's not clearly defined yet. You can't ignore your region and
>still be a powerful force in the direction hip-hop takes, because that's
>not how hip-hop works. I encourage everyone who makes music to be
>inventive and creative, but you should also recognize your
>limitations. take from all this what you will, there is some relevancy in
>my words. it's not something i'm totally attached to, it's not something
>anyone should be attached to.
>like i said (3rd, 4th time now?), it's just something to think about. so
>i don't feel like talking about it anymore. it's run it's course.
hmm, so, it sounds like you're saying that hip hop, being one of the more
recent musical phenomenons, and having a direct tie to a culture, is still
tied that culture, and likely will be for some time. which, to me, sounds
a lot like the rock stuff in the 60's and 70's (where it had a very direct
cultural tie - the best singers/songwriters of the time seemed to be those
that were "keeping it real" in their cultures, instead of selling out or
just coming into it by sounding like it), and sort of how electronic music
is *starting* to be seen, where mass produced trance is starting to lose
flavor and the big label names like "fatboy slim" are starting to lose some
of their flavor since there's a lot more that sounds good that's produced
by people not in it for the money.
i'm trying to support charlie's idea :) basically, i think this comes down
to doing it for the music. which i support. if you make hip hop cos you
"think it sounds really fresh man," you're probably making it for the wrong
reasons. if you make it because it has some importance to you personally,
then i would say it's a much more "valid" form of music.
now, i'm not going to argue about the validity of art, but to me, doing it
cos it's "cool" is not the same as doing it because you like it or because
it has a meaning to you. now, i'm sure someone's going to argue "oh, but
it's an artistic statement!" bollocks. why should i care if the artist
doesn't?
cheers,
/derek
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Alice could not help her lips curing up into a smile as she began:
"Do you know, I always thought Unicorns were fabulous monsters, too! I
never saw one alive before!"
"Well, now that we HAVE seen each other," said the Unicorn, "if you'll
believe in me, I'll believe in you. Is that a bargain?"
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