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Rjyan Kidwell
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Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:27:13 -0500
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Re: [idm] anticon and hip-hop
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quoted 1 line It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great> It's not a race issue it's just a musical taste issue. There are great
black
quoted 1 line hip-hop artists, there are great white hip-hop artists. I have black> hip-hop artists, there are great white hip-hop artists. I have black
friends
quoted 3 lines with shit music taste, I have white friends with shit music taste. Hip-hop> with shit music taste, I have white friends with shit music taste. Hip-hop > is such a global thing now I think anyone who's generally into the culture > is qualified to to make comments on "what hip-hop needs" regardless of
race.
quoted 2 lines Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know what's best for> Just because someone is black doesn't mean they know what's best for > hip-hop.
I agree that hip-hop is a huge, global thing, but I don't think that translates to "race is now irrelevant." Are you in the UK, Jeff? Maybe we see things differently through our respective culturally-colored lenses. I'm definitely not saying that any black person will know hip-hop better than any white person. But your words basically strike me as a "level-playing-field" type of argument that imply that race is a non-issue in hip-hop. I'll believe that when I hear as many black MCs as white MCs saying that. White people can be great MCs and hip-hop producers and participate in the culture -- hell, one of the best hip-hop record stores in Baltimore is run by a fifty-some year old white guy -- but to ignore the politics of race that are inherent in hip-hop music is to do a disservice to the art. Hip-hop is the creation of African-Americans and the social conditions surrounding it's creation and an integral part of it. Just like jazz, blues, rock & roll, hip-hop is a part of the African Diaspora, and to eliminate the importance of race in hip-hop is to see it as just some beats and rhyming words. To me, that's robbing the culture that has created it of their due.
quoted 2 lines I think odds are if people are into Anticon that these people at> I think odds are if people are into Anticon that these people at > least have a basic knowledge of indie hip-hop to have arrived at Anticon.
I
quoted 2 lines mean we're not taking about the same sort of mentality/press exposure that> mean we're not taking about the same sort of mentality/press exposure that > has white kids thinking Insane Clown Posse are the best hip-hop group
ever. No, but because they've very effectively used the internet to market and publicize themselves, Anticon has reached a lot of white kids who don't have a basic knowledge of indie hip-hop. I think that's one of the many reasons they've been so successful. I have no problem with it -- it's good business, and I'm all about working to appeal to a broader and broader fanbase. But that some of their fans don't disturb me with their grandiose perceptions of Anticon's "advanced" hip-hop.
quoted 1 line And for what it's worth Quasimoto "The Unseen" is the best hip-hop record> And for what it's worth Quasimoto "The Unseen" is the best hip-hop record
of
quoted 2 lines the last while (well that and The Infesticons record we released but that> the last while (well that and The Infesticons record we released but that > would just be seen as shameless plugging on my part...ooops)
I don't know if I'd say it's "the best" -- I think some of his rhymes and delivery get a bit grating after a while -- but Madlib's production skills are no doubt top-notch. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org