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Re: [idm] RDJ's Innovations
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In a message dated 12/14/00 3:32:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, bgause@SECTORBASE.COM writes: << honestly, the last thing I wanted to do was get involved here...but just as a matter of record, I'd say that "Flutter" by Autechre is an innovation. How long, I wonder, until music afficienados begin to see innovation as an intellectual movement and not a physically measureable shift in sound or chord structure. There is surely new sound out there...there are surely new chord structures somewhere. But this doesn't mean that innovation is only the realm of the unheard sound. Innovation simply makrs a new way of thinking that has impacted the music...I'd say autechre, for instance, have been pretty innovative with packaging (TDR designs, braile on every Skam release, etc). I'd say their minidisc release is an innovation in the way we conceive of an album (or, rather, a 'release'). I'd say their song-naming conventions have been an innovation, as well, and certainly influential. What? If I translated this right "Innovation in music has nothing to do with music." Ummmm.... RDJ's innovations have come by way of attitude. He was one of the first really successful electronic artists to start his own label and succeed. Rephlex has broadened the musical horizons of a lot of people...and it's exposed the world to a lot of new music. RDJs's work with Chris Cunningham undoubtedly had an effect on a director who's since gone on to do more really cool stuff. RDJ's sense of humor, above all else, has changed the way some people experience electronic music. That is not true at all. Maybe his additude did affect his innovations, but I sure think that he was the first to combine complex rolls and drums of beautiful noises with beautiful and very full orchestral sounds. I could be wrong.. but I don't think so. Look at Global Communication's emphasis with 76:14 on unspoken communication, even going so far as refusing to give names to their tracks. Look at the 20 to 2000 series from last year. Look at Up, Bustle and Out. Look at Coldcut and their heavily audio-visual direction. Look at every concept album (or, better, concept SERIES of albums) produced in the last ten years. Not all innovation is about the music. Some of it's about life and the way we live it as artists and musicians and as fans of these artists and musicians. Some of this innovation is about the way we conceive of the world. Some of it is simply about the way we conceive of music. Concept albums are about innovation in combining of songs (arent they?). Up bustle and out and coldcut are not innovative at all.. and what do you meen by audio-visual.. you can't have visual music (unless you are tripping, which changes the way you concieve the world as well, and the way you conceive music..) Sure, "Flutter" is musically innovative. Sure, RDJ's "Didgeridoo" sounded like nothing else before it. Sure, there are others...and there will be more. But don't back yourself into a corner by declaring innovation a notion of the past because you don't see what these artists are doing with their art. It's not fair to these people who work hard to create something new and beautiful. >> I see exactly what these artists are doing. I don't think that digeridoo was ever that innovative. That was one of rdjs most simple tracks. It was a 303 type sound in the time of 303 type sounds with cool effects on it and some breaks. How is that innovative? Moreover, how do you think that is innovative and not girl/boy song or one of his more elaborate composures. Yes innovation is about what we do other than music, but musical innovation has little to do with things outside of music (I will give you the minidisk thing and there are other such things, but I don't know if I would think that anyone out there sits and listens to that stuff and loves it, its just crazy glitch). No I am not arguing your opinion, because I agree that there is innovation in the world, but I am arguing your relation of other concepts to the concept of innovation in music. MÅ-Nick------|[www.manicdetroit.com][www.8bitpeoples.com]| ------------------|[www.mp3.com/manicdetroit]|-------111.41/110-pi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org