Ian Pojman <ipojman@jmlafferty.com> wrote:
: uhhh, yo kurt? I havent heard Cage actually. I bet hes nice or whatever. but
: what I meant was.... loops==organization==the definition of music.
Music isn't about organization, though it involves organization.
Organization isn't about loops, though a loop is a type of organization.
You can play with word definitions all you want, but the concepts only
have a few similarities and connections between them -- they're hardly
equivalences.
: And Ive
: heard cage is good (i think?>) - if all it is is randomly generated wankery
: I really dont think Id have that much interest.
Cool. You'd probably not like Cage, since he's the source of much of the
"randomly generated wankery" in modern music. He's more important as an
influence than for his pieces themselves, though some are quite fine. You'd
be doing yourself a favor to learn about him, whether you wind up liking
him or hating him. It's hard to think of someone who had a more profound
affect on the arts in the 20th Century, though some would argue that this
is hardly a good thing.
: Theme plays an important
: role to me, in music. Thats why I hate the majority of noise -- its just
: that. get my point now?
I think that themes, broadly defined, are central to most people's experience
of music. But noises can be used in thematic ways. Even random operations
can be organized to form themes, as Cage did. But a theme isn't the same
as a loop, nor is music just themes (nor does it require them, though it
usually has them).
I suppose I could be crass and say that there is a Rottweiler with your
name on it, but you seem to have backed away from the all-music-is-a-loop
position in any case.
-Ed
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