I do believe that Propellerhead's idea was making a music program that
catered to musicians, rather than programmers.
cheers,
/derek
On 1 Dec 2000, Lee Azzarello wrote:
quoted 9 lines on 12/1/00 7:59 AM, aaron at step@systorm.com wrote:> on 12/1/00 7:59 AM, aaron at step@systorm.com wrote:
>
> > i think that propellerheads have a great idea..
> > they are making the gear accessible on a computer..
> > but they are KEEPING the gear metphor..
> >
> > i perosnally know about 10 musicians who refuse to use a comptuer for
> > music..
> > simply because they are gear-heads.. they look at reaktor's interface
and
quoted 1 line cringe.. they see audiomulch and almost lose their lunch.. these guys> > cringe.. they see audiomulch and almost lose their lunch.. these guys
want
quoted 4 lines knobs, cables, & leds.. and lots of em.. Reason could very well be the> > knobs, cables, & leds.. and lots of em.. Reason could very well be the
> > software that blurs this line enough to tempt them to use it..
>
> If they want knobs, cabels & leds, why wouldn't they want to touch them
too?
quoted 2 lines I see _absolutely_ no similarity between a stupid computer gear interface> I see _absolutely_ no similarity between a stupid computer gear interface
> and gear. My computer screen is good for doing a couple of things:
rendering
quoted 2 lines text so I know what the computer is doing, or what I am typing, rendering> text so I know what the computer is doing, or what I am typing, rendering
> photos, giving me a couple of windows so I can see multiple program
running
quoted 1 line at once, playing movies and games. *It is not a rack of gear* and it> at once, playing movies and games. *It is not a rack of gear* and it
never
quoted 3 lines will be. It's a computer screen!> will be. It's a computer screen!
>
> > and any of you people who think the graphics on screen on Reason are
taking
quoted 1 line up serious system resources.. you need to look into visual programming> > up serious system resources.. you need to look into visual programming
a
quoted 1 line little more.. interface design is always negligible compared to> > little more.. interface design is always negligible compared to
realtime
quoted 6 lines audio processing..> > audio processing..
>
> I call your bluff. SuperCollider is an incredibly sophisticated real-time
> audio processing programming language. It runs more efficiently that any
> other program I own. To quote a friend/collegue in a recent conversation:
> "it takes me longer to compile a program in C++ which adds two numbers
than
quoted 4 lines it takes me to compile a much more elaborate SC patch."> it takes me to compile a much more elaborate SC patch."
>
> The GUI in SC is incredibly efficient and has no elaborate designs, just
> simple sliders, range views, waveform viewing, checkboxes and radio
buttons.
quoted 2 lines And there are no "caution, beware of electric shock" signs or pictures of> And there are no "caution, beware of electric shock" signs or pictures of
> fans and AC power outlets. Interface design can make or break an audio
app,
quoted 2 lines look at Reaktor. Great tool, processor hog. There is nothing that Reaktor> look at Reaktor. Great tool, processor hog. There is nothing that Reaktor
> can do that SC can't. The most apparent difference is that Reaktor has a
big
quoted 3 lines fluffy GUI and SC does not.> fluffy GUI and SC does not.
>
> > most of the knobs are repeated.. there's only like 10-ish face plates..
and
quoted 5 lines most of the grapics are bmp's anyway.. which take no overhead once> > most of the grapics are bmp's anyway.. which take no overhead once
> > rendered.. especially with directx.
>
> You are forgetting that you can automate the knobs, which requires
> animation. Each frame is a different graphic. There are _many_ more than
10
quoted 5 lines graphics involved if you actually make a detailed count.> graphics involved if you actually make a detailed count.
> >
> > and yes it DOES have to look like roland gear.. that's what makes it
> > usable..
> > anyone who's been playing with gear for a few years knows that you can
pick
quoted 1 line up any new roland box, and learn it in a few minutes.. they are always> > up any new roland box, and learn it in a few minutes.. they are always
very
quoted 7 lines straight forward and simple.. which makes them classic..> > straight forward and simple.. which makes them classic..
> >
> > granted.. the older boxes (303 etc) could have been a little easier to
> use..
> > but they didnt have much options for processing then..
>
> Maybe, but that day won't come until we can get touch screen computers
with
quoted 14 lines a vertical monitor that's five feet tall. Until then we have to use tools> a vertical monitor that's five feet tall. Until then we have to use tools
> like a mouse and keyboard, which are not well suited for manipulating
> hundreds of knobs and sliders.
>
> -l
>
> >>> Whoever wrote this is a very smart man....it looked
> >>> cool to me at first but now that i hear this it really
> >>> makes me think otherwise...that stupid graphics crap
> >>> is a waste of computer energy!!
> >>
> >> This is exactly what I think. I want a purely functional interface on
> these
> >> things - Windows/Mac style would suit me fine. I thought Rebirth was
far
quoted 2 lines too> > too
> >> fiddly as well as wasting processor time. The point is to sound like
the
quoted 19 lines Roland products, it doesn't have to look like them too.> >> Roland products, it doesn't have to look like them too.
> >
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