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Gause, Brian
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Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:02:00 -0800
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RE: [idm] house vs. idm
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re: the history of idm This isn't something I can relate in a few paragraphs, but as a summary. Personally, I would say that modern IDM did originate with Warp, the early AI comps and a few lads in england that went on to become Aphex Twin, Link/Reload/GC, Autechre and Black Dog. As far back as I remember it, there was a core scene of people who seemed to have similar sensibilities and a taste for the same range of musical sound. These aren't bubble-people, though. There are always influences. If you want to talk about electronic music (and IDM as a sub-group of this), then you have to look at The Orb/The KLF (and their electronic pop and Jamaican influences). Thirty-five years ago, people were untrusting of electronics and thought such music cold. So look then at the huge electronic pop explosion of the 80s. People found a way to make electronic music warmer. Then Punk. If punk, as music and as a scene, left the world with anything, it's this overwhelming and open DIY ethic. Where would all these closet IDM artists today be without the change in thinking that punk gave us? Then back to music again...Eno, Bowie, Byrne, Fripp...the list of artists experimenting with new ways to make sound electronically is huge and these are only four names. But if you look at "76:14" by GC work, you can find similarities with Tangerine Dream. And wasn't there a group a few years back called the Heavenly Music Corporation? This was the name of an album by eno (and fripp, if I'm not mistaken). The Orb, and later MUCH of the ambient scene, was obviously influenced by Eno's early experiments in the field...and being laid up in bed after getting hurt. IF you want to go further back, look at Cage and Stockhausen and Tangerine Dream. Then Pink Floyd (don't tell me namlook wasn't HEAVILY inspired by these guys)....then Erik Satie. The list is endless because influences are not absolute and even harder to measure accurately. Especially if consider this from the perspective of western music. Would The Orb ever have been The Orb without dub? Would Pole be Pole without the Orb or without dub? Dub is certainly not western. One of Aphex's biggest early tracks was Didgeridoo...isn't this Australian? Who's going to tell me that heavy basslines come from Europe? Anyone want to make that leap? You simply cannot trace the origins of IDM through a single line...there are influences from all over the world, from widely distinct times and places and arriving in many different ways. And if, by chance, you're interested enough, go check out some of David Toop's writing...he's done a fair bit of work on this and not so incomplete as my ramblings here. Sure IDM has a past, but idm is a silly, close-minded little genre...this is not what Eno meant. This is not what punk wanted to produce. IDM is not the endpoint of a straight line...it is a single branch on a larger tree, way out at the edge, but even now, not all the way out anymore. Perspective. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Wendy K [mailto:wendy@ninjatune.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:14 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] house vs. idm ok, i really cant resist - the rest of this post was so illogical it made no sense. perhaps we need a thread on the origins of idm - did it really start with aphex twin & autechre? thought idm has origins with people like philip glass, steve reich, john cage, stockhausen, eno. maybe i'm wrong again. i have deep house records from the early eighties - what was juan atkins cybotron and early experimental hip hop electro??? and electronic music from san francisco that i would consider idm from the same time period. although i look like a thin bearded boy named bob with glasses i didnt think my self esteem was that low. i also have latin, middle eastern, sufi, sitar, reggae, dub, hard techno drum n bass, frank sinatra, james brown, sade (!) and jack kerouac reading poetry to some jazz dudes blowing mean & hard in my record collection...so i probably dont even BELONG on this list. oh yeah, and as an ex san frandisKo resident, i got some disco, jefferson airplane, country joe & the fish, hendrix, joplin and quicksilver messenger service albums 2 - but that doesnt mean i'm a smelly tied died dead head does it???? i'm just some old skool dude with musical perspective. *L* tosh said:
quoted 5 lines So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably> >So what I'm trying to say is that if you don't like house it's probably >because you have a low sense of self-worth WRT to physical appearance, >so get over yourself already, house has been around a lot longer then >IDM.
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