On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 2 lines as for sting and puff daddy, i find the puff daddy "version"
> as for sting and puff daddy, i find the puff daddy "version"
> extremely annoying. why? it's a matter of respect. it colors my
...
quoted 6 lines it's not a matter of saying his process is wrong, or samples are
> it's not a matter of saying his process is wrong, or samples are
> wrong, it's a personal matter in this respect: sting and led zepplin
> were uniquely talented human beings, worthy of great respect, and
> created music that i enjoy on many levels. puffy jacks the songs
> (not just the beats, dammit) and pretends they're new songs. they're
> not -- they're weak covers at best.
i don't much care for Puff Daddy or his technique but i don't think he
tries to pass off the tracks as his own work, i.e. he credits the original
artists on the records (i mean if he didn't he'd get sued to hell and
back!!) and he'd have to be stupid to think people arent' going to
recognize hooks from Police or Led Zeppelin.
It's more about a certain ethic in Hip Hop culture -- that of the name
check. You appropriate somebody else's line or beat or a little hook from
their song more as a tribute, or at least a knowing reference, rather than
from a lack of creativity. Granted, Puffy takes it to completely
unneccessary extremes. But take for example NWA's song Eight Ball -- they
use a line from an old soul record about the "Diamond in the back, sunroof
top" or something ( i have no idea who the artist is or if those are the
actual lyrics ) ... anyway I think the way they worked the little
reference to the song into the music is very creative, especially if you
recognize the fact that when they would play the song live, there was
actually a DJ dropping the actual phrase in from the original record as
part of the song.
Recognize also that the art of sampling and beat-jacking comes from the
early days of hip hop when DJ's would create an entire track from using
other artist's records, in real time on two turntables. This was not for
lack of creativity, but for lack of funds and technology as many of the
originators of hip hop did not have the cash resources to purchase "real
instruments" and were inspired to make do with the tools at hand.
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