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From:
Steve Oliver
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Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:11:25 +0100
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RE: [idm] Detroit, origins and all that
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Wow, not only is that posting absolutely spot on...it's gorgeous, too. Mind if I sample you saying it?! Stevie. www.gram.org.uk www.rewind1000.co.uk
quoted 90 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Korfhage [mailto:pomomofo2000@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Detroit, origins and all that > > > Yes, Christophe, point well taken. If you attempt to trace the origins of > something but have no definable context, point, or direction, everything > goes all apocryphal and you end up with the horrible muddle that > you seem to > be writing [about]. > > But it also seems obvious, in the colloquial sense-- and that's > what we're > doing here, right? having conversations with assumed mutual > backgrounds? -- > that anyone talking about origins or catalysts is *not* attempting to > stretch it back to the origins of time or attain the ultimate > subsumation of > the categories. And no one said a word about Athena from the head of Zeus. > > Generally, and one should give them the benefit of the doubt on > this before > expanding the discourse to questionable extremes, they mean that *this is > the place where it first surfaced in a form that I can recognize it* or > *this is what launched whatever idea we've categorized "like > this" into the > general consciousness*. And sure, it all comes down to > preferences, personal > and shared histories, depth of penetration into a subject, and > that lot. But > it's not that difficult to understand. It's what allows one to > write about > anything like music history or roots and still, miraculously, be > understood. > > Was Detroit THE catalyst of electronic music? No, of course not. > People were > making electronic music long before anyone in that specific > Detroit scene. > Was it the root of techno? If by techno you mean that style of electronic > music that sprung up in Detroit in the early eighties, with definite funk > influences and cross-pollenation with hip-hop: sure, why not. Let > it be said > and believed. Build shrines to Juan Atkins and let him name our children, > for the savior has come bearing gifts of bass and funk. > > Every time that someone who's had a few philosophy, linguistics, or > sociology classes jumps up to declare that we cannot speak as we > do because > the categories are arbitrary and blurred, something in all of us dies a > little. Just a little. Please. Stop it. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > From: Christophe McKeon <c.mckeon@rcn.com> > CC: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Detroit in the news > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:41:59 -0400 > > > >A "catalyst" as far as I am informed. Is that which makes some kind >of > >reaction/transformation possible, which at least in chemistry, > >would not > >have taken place w/o its presence. Kind of like the element > >which brings > >the whole ensemble to a more active state. A 'key' of >sorts, opening up > >the possibility of emergent and synergistic >behavior of the entire > >ensemble, whatever it may be. I think it is >safe to say that > this is also > >it's adopted vernacular meaning. I >think if we want to talk about > >catalysts, we should perhaps be >talking about the relationship between > >humans and machines after the >advent of the transistor. In other words, > >music has been around for >ever, and "electronic music" was > thought up, at > >least in theory, far >before any body actually built the > machines capable > >of making it. The >catalyst in this case is the technology, > <Snip> > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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