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i dont think its so much a matter of 'liking' it as its really easy to press the same button several times Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:44 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 187 lines I think that there's a lot of subtlety in Jlins beats and song structures;

> I think that there's a lot of subtlety in Jlins beats and song structures; > but she does like that machine-gun repeat thing. You can make fun of > superficial traits of her music, or meet her halfway and listen for what's > interesting in it. Or not; plenty of other music for you to listen to. > > > On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:12 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> disclaimer: don't get too pissed off, i am trolling to some degree here :) >> >> just tried to listen to jlin's dark energy and gave up .... here are some >> tips for footwork producers: >> >> 1. even your MPC has velocity control, that means that individual >> hits/notes/etc can actually be at different volumes from one another >> 2. the MPC can actually play samples at different pitches, in fact, you >> can create what are called 'melodies' consisting of two or more notes at >> different frequencies >> 3. for many decades now, devices known as 'effects' have been made >> available, many of which are built into your MPC -- for fun, trying >> applying an 'effect' to one of the sounds in your 'song' -- the results can >> be fascinating and are very popular in most every genre. >> 4. drum sounds -- did you know? you can load different drum sounds into >> your MPC. that's right, now, not every song has to use the same hi-hat, >> snare, and bassdrum, on every single one of your albums, for your entire >> career. >> 5. did you know? you can change the parameters of sounds on the MPC, >> using parameters like attack, decay, sustain and release, to alter your >> sounds >> 6. you can load more than 9 samples into your MPC. i know, it's >> confusing, because there are only 9 buttons, but, my understanding is that >> these buttons can actually be assigned to different sounds, and over the >> course of several albums, you could use different sounds on EVERY ALBUM or >> even every song >> >> i realize im not from the same background as people producing footwork, >> but i am 100% confident that a manual is provided for the MPC series >> >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:36 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Who are you and where are you from? If you were African-American and >>> lived in Chicago, you might not like Footwork either, but I doubt you'd >>> belittle the entire genre. You're allowed your opinion, but your reaction >>> rubbed me the wrong way; you made it sound like the people making that >>> music were getting away with something. >>> >>> I don't live in Chicago but I go their a fair amount and know the music >>> scene there fairly well; the one thing I know is that it's serious, and >>> highly competitive. No one gets away with making mediocre music; any >>> Footwork tracks you're likely to hear released on e.g. Planet Mu is not >>> going to be half-assed. You may not like it, it may not speak to your >>> condition, but to criticize it that way makes me think you're just hearing >>> it, not listening to it. >>> >>> And you're under no obligation to like it or listen to it. There's too >>> much music and life's too short to listen to things you don't enjoy. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare to >>>> his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole musical >>>> culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no understanding >>>> of the culture in which it grew up." >>>> >>>> Careful, silly-pants Kent, you're walking the ignorant line yourself, >>>> and sounding like an academic from the burbs who's just trying to relate. >>>> You don't know me or where I'm from. If I'm from the same musical culture >>>> and the same socio-economic background as most peeps who make Footwork, am >>>> I still ignorant and shallow? Am I allowed to have an opinion then? Good, >>>> because I am. And most Footwork sucks. And I don't have to put "IMO" >>>> because I am the one saying it, and it's obviously my opinion. I much >>>> prefer Bluegrass. >>>> >>>> Now, hugs all around! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Every genre defines conventions. Every genre, furthermore demands a >>>>> different sort of listening if you're going to understand and enjoy it. To >>>>> say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare to his >>>>> half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole musical >>>>> culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no understanding >>>>> of the culture in which it grew up. >>>>> >>>>> Juke/Footwork music is very much the product of kids with cracked >>>>> copies of Fruity Loops; they work with the tools they have. The motivation >>>>> was to make music whose purpose is to accompany footwork dancing, which is >>>>> competetive, athletic and intense. The idea is to have the freshest, >>>>> trickiest rhythm, often played back on shitty boomboxes or Frankenstein >>>>> sound systems.. Footwork, like Jit in Detroit, is both dance and stylized >>>>> warfare; it sublimates the violence and frustration of life in "Chiraq." >>>>> It is something positive in an environment where people are confronted >>>>> daily with unrelenting negative things. >>>>> >>>>> There's a billion footwork tracks and thousands of people making it. >>>>> Inevitably most of it is not very good, but like any other genre, when it's >>>>> good it's great. >>>>> >>>>> It's OK not to like musical styles. I bet you're not so hot on >>>>> bluegrass music as well. But like my grandmother always told me about cream >>>>> corn, "it's better to say you don't care for it than say you hate it." >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:26 PM David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Kent, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why does Jared have to be ignorant to not like Footwork? It seems >>>>>> like Jared just thinks this kind of music does not require much effort or >>>>>> much of it is the same. >>>>>> >>>>>> I listened to the compilation album "Bangs & Works Vol. 1" and have >>>>>> found his sentiment to be true for most of the tracks on that release, with >>>>>> some exceptions of course. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now Jlin's release here is much more experimental and fresh sounding >>>>>> than the long tracks of TV show themes spread out over lazy beats. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ignorant or silly? Either way, I can't help myself, Kent! >>>>>>> Honestly, Jlin's stuff isn't that bad. But for some reason it all sounds a >>>>>>> bit unfinished to me. But if peeps want to call it minimal, so be it! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:18 PM, kent williams < >>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jared, stop being ignorant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:04 AM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ah yes, Footwork. The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to >>>>>>>>> add a snare to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental. Yay world! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard of "Footwork"... is this a new genre of music or >>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The tracks you linked to sound interesting to say the least. Find >>>>>>>>>> it also curious that Jlin works at a steel mill in Gary, Indiana... Not >>>>>>>>>> much music prides itself on coming from Indiana >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the >>>>>>>>>>> IDM list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>>>>>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>>>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>> >>> >>