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Scott McKeating
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Wed, 24 May 2000 14:53:25 GMT
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Re: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
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i always called it "electronica", saves the hassle. Scott
quoted 56 lines From: drift wood <sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk>>From: drift wood <sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us... >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:19:06 +0100 (BST) > >Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... >(see below) > >Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:55:42 +0100 (BST) >From: A Bhattacharyya >Subject: Fuck IDM > >Re this IDM debate... the basic problem with IDM (and I'm talking >about the overall scene here as opposed to individual artists) is >its fundamental conservatism. Despite all the cliches about "pushing >the envelope", "breaking boundaries" etc it subscribes to a reactionary > >notion of what art is that is little more than a caricature retread >of late 19th century and early 20th century modernism. > >Specific examples: the artist-as-creative-hero motif, the sneering >cod-Nietzschean dismissal of the masses, the art-for-art's-sake >aesthete stance that can only conceive of the dancefloor as a >constraint, the disdain for "utilitarian" funktionality. > >The fact is that despite the many creative and intelligent people >working in and around IDM, the scene is characterised by a bovine >dismal refusal to think through these questions, an uncritical >acceptance of bourgeois artistic values and a smug ignorance of >the key developments and debates around 20th century music. > >Summarising: IDM just ain't intelligent *enough*. > >Having said that, there are a few artists classed as IDM that soar >above the middle-brow middle-of-the-road mediocrity that characterises >the scene-that-pretends-it-isn't. I'd say Aphex Twin falls into this >category. As does Oval/Mille Plateaux. Should also stress that I don't >have a problem with experimentalism-for-experimentalism's-sake, my >problem is with conservatism-dressed-as-experimentalism. > ><<<<<< > >Is it ok to go out again yet? > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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