[idm] Re: Autechre make Jazz? Kurt Weill and Duke Ellington, writing IDM?
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quoted 3 lines I happen to like>I happen to like
>Autechre, but was a bit less impressed with their last few records
>vs. their first four, I guess... what are they up to now, seven?
5 albums, 7 ep's, one peel session. that's wrong though. and i'm quite
the contrary, actually.. i can't stand listening to amber all the way
through (i like silverslide and tear tear and a couple other ones). i
thoroughly enjoyed everything after and including envane
quoted 4 lines They are experimenting now even more I guess, it is less>They are experimenting now even more I guess, it is less
>melody-driven and maybe in a way more like (experimental) jazz, about
>that focus on the complexity of interwoven rhythms rather than
>memorable themes.
i don't know if they're necessarily experimenting more. i think they're
using more experimental sounds and equipment (term used loosely), and their
work is "differently rhythmic" than their earlier stuff for sure. although
i have to disagree with the memorable themes. i constantly think of the 3
different melodies used in "zeiss contarex" (a truly wonderful song), and
they stick even more so because their very oddly constructed melodies, as in
their not "note note note", it's more like their sliding around or softly
screaming (i really have no clue how to describe them, but it's definitely
different than, say, their incunabula melodies).
quoted 4 lines I am definately no Jazz expert, but from what I've>I am definately no Jazz expert, but from what I've
>heard of a lot this music I find it less accessible. Listening to it
>is interesting, more of an intellectual experience, but I still
>prefer music as a visceral, emotional experience.
yeah, me too. ep7 is some of the most emotional music i've listened to in
the past few days (which isn't too much, since i've been moving). Jazz is
somewhat inaccessible, because it's sometimes not as structured as
programmed music. but some jazz is very accessible and worthwhile, it just
sort of depends. and i don't know, perhaps the fact that jazz is best
listened to in a laid back smoky club means it's more intellectual than,
say, a rave (heh heh).
going back to the jazz discussion, i don't think that, say, amon tobin is
jazz, or that people who sample jazz things are trying to recreate jazz.
i'm of the opinion that this stuff definitely sounds "jazzy", or "funky",
but i think there's a reason that jazz is/was a much larger thing live in a
bar/club than it ever is/was on vinyl/cd/cylinder.
and since i'm digested and don't feel like sending off 3 more out-dated
messages, i don't use the term "idm". when people ask me what i listen to,
i usually respond with "i don't know.. weird stuff.. sort of electronicy",
although i don't think that would go over very well as a term..
-derek
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