--- James R McPherson <andregurov@juno.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the
>
> Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the
> form is to be reduced
> to "snippets" of loops I think the world would be
> better off just playing them on a pre-set synth.
It can be tastefully done. Alot of electronic
musicians take "snippets" or drum breaks from all over
the place. Jazz happens to be a very popular source
for samples. Have you never heard a good trip hop
tune with jazz in it? I have
Actually take a listen to Photek - KJZ (Hidden Camera
ep), that tunes is full of jazz samples...and it is a
pretty great tune.
quoted 1 line All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts me.
> All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts me.
Well there is some good jazzy dnb and some that sucks.
quoted 4 lines When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity,
> When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity,
> and improvisation
> become whittled to a 6 second excerpt repeated ad
> nauseum?
Let's see are we talking about sampling in general? A
lot of electronic music is based on samples. You can
indeed sample something and do something creative and
original with it.
quoted 6 lines Sure, there
> Sure, there
> are similarities between electronic musics' use of
> grounding
> themes/percussion and jazz reliance on a clearly
> stated melody, but it
> ends there.
...time signatures, etc.
quoted 22 lines Jazz, by its very definition of
> Jazz, by its very definition of
> improvisation and forward tilt, is not. Part of the
> joy is in hearing
> how specific players re-interpret central
> themes/melodies and use them as
> a launching pad to artistic expression, night after
> night after night
> changing. To reduce is to negate (or perhaps I
> should say to record is
> to negate).
>
> I do not doubt the poster's love or understanding of
> jazz (perhaps I
> simply misunderstand), but the careful
> reconstruction of solo passages in
> an electronic recording does not add to the sum of
> musical art and
> lessens the very work that many jazz artists
> accomplish. It may make a
> very pretty pop song, and will probably be very
> tuneful, exciting, and
> soulful. But it is not jazz.
Actually I believe I recall one of Miles Davis's
producers, saying that he just recorded everyone
playing and then spliced the tapes. "Bitches Brew" is
a record of splicings. The producer may of taken one
session from the drummer and spliced it with someone
else from a different session. I believe this is the
case for many of Miles's release, possible other jazz
recordings as well. A reconstruction of sorts...
quoted 8 lines And for me, then, I no longer care who the
> And for me, then, I no longer care who the
> individual/group sampled is. Does this mean
> Macero's repasting of Miles'
> trumpet and groups are not jazz either? Perhaps.
> Does this mean the
> presence of the studio debases jazz in its very
> application? Hmm. But
> this is an IDM list ; )
If it's done well and is enjoyable that's all that
really matters to me.
quoted 2 lines 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance
> 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance
> music
Would you characterize Dj Shadow's - Endtroducing like
that? I wouldn't, I had a lot of respect for that
piece or work...even though it was based largely on
samples.
quoted 1 line "Fuck dance, let's art" ... right?
> "Fuck dance, let's art" ... right?
I always thought it was "Fuck Art Let's kill". At
least that is what the T-Shirt says.
quoted 14 lines Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the
> Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the
> challenge, not the
> results. I hope 4 Hero acquit themselves of it as
> well on wax as in the
> studio (intentional irony) ...
> Sorry for wasting all of your valuable time,
>
> J (still stoked about New Orleans' great Jazz and
> Heritage Festival)
>
> obIDM: anyone heard the source recording for
> Peshay's "On the Nile"? If
> you have, it's hard to argue that sampling has
> always been a blessing ...
I love J Majik's - Arabian Nights [Metalheadz]
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