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From:
William Samuels
To:
James R McPherson ,
Date:
Wed, 10 May 2000 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
Re: [idm] damn jazz shit - DELETE if you don't like nitpickyness
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--- James R McPherson <andregurov@juno.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the> > Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the > form is to be reduced > to "snippets" of loops I think the world would be > better off just playing them on a pre-set synth.
It can be tastefully done. Alot of electronic musicians take "snippets" or drum breaks from all over the place. Jazz happens to be a very popular source for samples. Have you never heard a good trip hop tune with jazz in it? I have Actually take a listen to Photek - KJZ (Hidden Camera ep), that tunes is full of jazz samples...and it is a pretty great tune.
quoted 1 line All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts me.> All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts me.
Well there is some good jazzy dnb and some that sucks.
quoted 4 lines When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity,> When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity, > and improvisation > become whittled to a 6 second excerpt repeated ad > nauseum?
Let's see are we talking about sampling in general? A lot of electronic music is based on samples. You can indeed sample something and do something creative and original with it.
quoted 6 lines Sure, there> Sure, there > are similarities between electronic musics' use of > grounding > themes/percussion and jazz reliance on a clearly > stated melody, but it > ends there.
...time signatures, etc.
quoted 22 lines Jazz, by its very definition of> Jazz, by its very definition of > improvisation and forward tilt, is not. Part of the > joy is in hearing > how specific players re-interpret central > themes/melodies and use them as > a launching pad to artistic expression, night after > night after night > changing. To reduce is to negate (or perhaps I > should say to record is > to negate). > > I do not doubt the poster's love or understanding of > jazz (perhaps I > simply misunderstand), but the careful > reconstruction of solo passages in > an electronic recording does not add to the sum of > musical art and > lessens the very work that many jazz artists > accomplish. It may make a > very pretty pop song, and will probably be very > tuneful, exciting, and > soulful. But it is not jazz.
Actually I believe I recall one of Miles Davis's producers, saying that he just recorded everyone playing and then spliced the tapes. "Bitches Brew" is a record of splicings. The producer may of taken one session from the drummer and spliced it with someone else from a different session. I believe this is the case for many of Miles's release, possible other jazz recordings as well. A reconstruction of sorts...
quoted 8 lines And for me, then, I no longer care who the> And for me, then, I no longer care who the > individual/group sampled is. Does this mean > Macero's repasting of Miles' > trumpet and groups are not jazz either? Perhaps. > Does this mean the > presence of the studio debases jazz in its very > application? Hmm. But > this is an IDM list ; )
If it's done well and is enjoyable that's all that really matters to me.
quoted 2 lines 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance> 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance > music
Would you characterize Dj Shadow's - Endtroducing like that? I wouldn't, I had a lot of respect for that piece or work...even though it was based largely on samples.
quoted 1 line "Fuck dance, let's art" ... right?> "Fuck dance, let's art" ... right?
I always thought it was "Fuck Art Let's kill". At least that is what the T-Shirt says.
quoted 14 lines Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the> Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the > challenge, not the > results. I hope 4 Hero acquit themselves of it as > well on wax as in the > studio (intentional irony) ... > Sorry for wasting all of your valuable time, > > J (still stoked about New Orleans' great Jazz and > Heritage Festival) > > obIDM: anyone heard the source recording for > Peshay's "On the Nile"? If > you have, it's hard to argue that sampling has > always been a blessing ...
I love J Majik's - Arabian Nights [Metalheadz] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org