Re: [idm] damn jazz shit - DELETE if you don't like nitpickyness
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Right on !
Andrei
James R McPherson wrote:
quoted 44 lines DJ Cam knows his Coltrane and ColdCut seem to know just about> >DJ Cam knows his Coltrane and ColdCut seem to know just about
> >everything but I would love to see more useof Coltrane and Dolphy's
> >intense riffs and extended solo clips, let alone Art Ensemble and
> >SunRa; Mingus could be so fantastic if you want forceful streams of
> >sound and what about McLaughlin or Larry Young!
>
> Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the form is to be reduced
> to "snippets" of loops I think the world would be better off just playing
> them on a pre-set synth. All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts
> me. When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity, and improvisation
> become whittled to a 6 second excerpt repeated ad nauseum? Sure, there
> are similarities between electronic musics' use of grounding
> themes/percussion and jazz reliance on a clearly stated melody, but it
> ends there. While some electronic listening music is presented live
> w/improvisation a central concept, it remains primarily a home-listening
> experience (for better or worse). Concerts are your living room with
> more friends and bigger speakers. Jazz, by its very definition of
> improvisation and forward tilt, is not. Part of the joy is in hearing
> how specific players re-interpret central themes/melodies and use them as
> a launching pad to artistic expression, night after night after night
> changing. To reduce is to negate (or perhaps I should say to record is
> to negate).
>
> I do not doubt the poster's love or understanding of jazz (perhaps I
> simply misunderstand), but the careful reconstruction of solo passages in
> an electronic recording does not add to the sum of musical art and
> lessens the very work that many jazz artists accomplish. It may make a
> very pretty pop song, and will probably be very tuneful, exciting, and
> soulful. But it is not jazz. And for me, then, I no longer care who the
> individual/group sampled is. Does this mean Macero's repasting of Miles'
> trumpet and groups are not jazz either? Perhaps. Does this mean the
> presence of the studio debases jazz in its very application? Hmm. But
> this is an IDM list ; )
>
> 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance music "Fuck dance,
> let's art" ... right?
>
> Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the challenge, not the
> results. I hope 4 Hero acquit themselves of it as well on wax as in the
> studio (intentional irony) ...
>
> Sorry for wasting all of your valuable time,
>
> J (still stoked about New Orleans' great Jazz and Heritage Festival)
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