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From:
Clint Anderson
To:
Eric Fairbanks
Cc:
kent williams , IDM
Date:
Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:16:20 -0500
Subject:
Re: New Squarepusher track
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heh in the .mod days ppl would use mod2wav to make patterns from their .mod files into wav files, the idea being that since you only had 4 tracks if you could write a 4 track beat and mix it down to 1 wav file you could free up 3 channels </mod-nerd> Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 121 lines Oh man, those stutter-rolls. That's friggin' impressive. They sound so> Oh man, those stutter-rolls. That's friggin' impressive. They sound so > smooth, and the volume envelopes are perfect. > > Must've taken a hellovalot of time. :P > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> This track was made entirely in Sound Forge >> http://www.cornwarning.com/chaircrusher/SoFarSoSo/02%20Morton%27s%20Shadow.mp3 >> >> This was from this album >> http://music.cornwarning.com/2009/01/31/so-far-so-so-retrospective-1995-2005/ >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Before Acid Pro, I did a whole bunch of tracks in Sound Forge. I'd >>> figure out the number of samples in a 4-beat measures, create that much >>> silence, and turn on the selection grid in Sound Forge so I could see where >>> the beats were, and paste/mix samples in. Once I had some basic patterns >>> and sounds, I'd make copies and fuck them up, and string them out and >>> paste-mix other loops into the master mix. >>> >>> I'm really comfortable working directly with waveforms. It's a lot >>> easier these days with other tools, but I liked that method better than the >>> other options of the time, which were trackers. >>> >>> Though I did do trackers to generate loops that I'd arrange in Acid. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:16 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ah man, Acid Pro. That's exactly what I was picturing. I've heard of >>>> musicians who work like that, but it sounds like a nightmare. Might as well >>>> compose music in a video editor at that point IMO. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did it kind of as a dare for myself. I was working in Acid Pro, and >>>>> I cut the break into chunks, and then looped a bar or two bars, and >>>>> copy/paste bits into the loop until it feels full. Then move on to the >>>>> next measure. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't hard, but it made me hate those particular sounds by the >>>>> time I was done. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:44 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Kent, that's nuts. I can't imagine working with sampled breaks in an >>>>>> audio editor. (well, I suppose I can, but it sounds like a serious >>>>>> headache) My recent jam has been writing LUA scripts that >>>>>> generate/transform patterns in Renoise that re-arrange cut up breakbeats. >>>>>> Editing and manipulating breaks and sequences in a tracker at 180+ BPM >>>>>> 8/16LPB is work enough. Cutting up breaks in an audio editor represents a >>>>>> level of long-term focus and dedication that I'm unfamiliar with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Totally hypothetical, but if Jenkinson handed me a spec for some >>>>>> beatmangling software, I'd happily implement it in return for some spastic >>>>>> Squarepusher-brand breakcore. >.> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:24 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure I'd call it piss-weak. Not sure if I like it yet, but >>>>>>> I enjoy the melodic content. It sounds like he's using the Eventide effects >>>>>>> rack as a synthesizer again -- that buzzy foreground sound, which comes >>>>>>> from playing bass through it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Closest contemporary comparison is the PC Music stuff, which is >>>>>>> manically shiny in a similar way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can't fault him for trying to do something that sounds different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As regards the Amen break, I did a track years ago that involved >>>>>>> loading the Amen break as a sample, and then cutting and arranging it so >>>>>>> every bar was different, across 5 minutes. As you can imagine this amounted >>>>>>> to about 8 hours of painstaking zoomed-in editing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ever since doing that, I'm allergic to the Amen. I don't mind if >>>>>>> people use it in their tracks, but if I load it a sampler and start messing >>>>>>> with it, I start feeling sad and wishing it would go away. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:21 AM CRAIG SIMPSON < >>>>>>> craignorms@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is pis* weak. Hes making music that sounds like its all been >>>>>>>> sampled from an arcade or funfair. Hes given up on the amen break. It's a >>>>>>>> tragedy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:06:04 -0700 >>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:47 -0700 >>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>> To: 313@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've had to review a 12" or two for the radio station where I DJ, and >>>>>>>> I've never heard anything that appealed to me in the least. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> kent williams wrote: >>>>>>>> > I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the IDM >>>>>>>> > list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>