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From:
Mark Kolmar
To:
idm
Date:
Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:42:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:
Re: (idm) knob-twisting monkey music
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On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, wesley@interaccess.com wrote:
quoted 8 lines On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Tim Gill wrote:> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Tim Gill wrote: > > And when have you ever hit > > random keys on the piano and come out with a masterpiece. You have to have > > talent to compose valid music. > Well, the name John Cage does spring to mind...there are probably many > examples of masterpieces created by hitting essentially random keys on the > piano (I simply am not familiar enough with modern classical music to name > them).
Without starting a dissertation about Cage's compositional techniques, let me at least try to clear up a common misunderstanding. Cage was not concerned with randomness, but rather indeterminacy -- a fine but important distinction. Cage used techniques such as using the I Ching to arrange short phrases (Music of Changes), or allowing varying degrees of freedom to the players so the outcome is unpredictable within certain parameters (Fifty-Eight, the "time pieces"). One of the keys is to formulate the question so that any answer gives an acceptable result. But that is not random; it's an attempt to remove personal taste from one stage of the process, in order to open new possibilities. There's a link from my homepage that compiles some of my rants about this general area of discussion. A well-stocked library may have some books by Cage. I'd suggest _Silence_ if you can find it. --Mark __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> ==> MPEG audio clips <== m u s i c : w e b : s o u n d d e s i g n : h t m l : c g i : e t c "We invented machines in order to reduce our work. Now that we have them, we think we should go on working." (John Cage)