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Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:43:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: (idm) Re: idm V1 #1176
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Seofon writes:
quoted 3 lines Well, as long as there's an industry there will always be an underground> Well, as long as there's an industry there will always be an underground > that's doing something more interesting. There's no light without shadow, > no Laurel without Hardy ...
you got it, brother.
quoted 6 lines Anyway, that's a good point ... before that, techno was totally> Anyway, that's a good point ... before that, techno was totally > underground, nobody knew who was doing the music, it was some of the more > incredible shit you ever heard, and the DJ's ruled. Maybe techno didn't > exactly die when Messiah etc. broke open, but that incarnation of it > certainly did. It seemed to me that, for the most part, techno really got > sapped of its energy, which was one of the cooler things about it.
that, and it started to fall into mindless cliche. messiah's first single "there is no law" made my brain melt when i first heard it. then "temple of dreams" came out and boy howdy did it ever suck.
quoted 3 lines (On that note, I listened to Eon "Void Dweller" for the first time> (On that note, I listened to Eon "Void Dweller" for the first time > in a good while the other day ... to hell with electronica; that > disc is the _bomb_.)
oh yeah, i just love that album to death. his new stuff on electron industries is pretty amazing too.
quoted 5 lines Now the point I'm making it that that was when techno was still _techno_,> Now the point I'm making it that that was when techno was still _techno_, > and I think what's been troubling us all for the last few months is that > it's obviously not anymore. The Chems and Prodigy can't fool me, man: > they're rock & roll, the Prodigy more so ... they even scream "Rock & roll! > We're rock & roll!" in their concerts.
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quoted 2 lines That was the industry _releasing_ techno; this is the industry> That was the industry _releasing_ techno; this is the industry > _shaping_ techno.
i have doubts about the extent to which the industry can claim to have shaped techno... from my point of view, "firestarter" just sorta came out of nowhere. sure as hell took me by surprise. considering that "music for the jilted generation" really went nowhere over here, and in fact resulted in them getting dumped by Mute... maybe i just wasn't paying attention (wouldn't be the first time.) i think you're seeing a progression in the cases of the prodge/chembros which may be shaped by their experiences in the industry (ie: big labels say "wow, really liked that track with the rawkous geetarrzz, dudes") but to say that the industry is controlling it strikes me as a little paranoid. there are always going to be plenty of artists ready to sell out at the drop of a hat anyway.
quoted 1 line Point being that American artists have to get with it, pronto-like.> Point being that American artists have to get with it, pronto-like.
"i used to be with it, then they changed what it was. now what i'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. it'll happen to you!" -- grampa simpson words to live by. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...