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g.
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Black Dog Droid
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Date:
Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:44:32 GMT
Subject:
Re: (idm) 12" vs.CDs
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On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:06:34 +0100 (BST), you wrote:
quoted 17 lines Hi greg,>Hi greg, > >> alas what the irdial essay failed to point out is that virtually all >> electronic music (if not virtually all music) is mastered from DAT so >> at best on vinyl you get a slightly mushed up 44KHz sample rate... > >yes, thats a good point. but akin *did* swing towards >completely analog recording in a later essay. He urges >us to use tape wherever possible, right up to the cutting >of the disk. I feel that's impractical (and noisy), so i >use a mix of analog and digital in my mixes, when possible. >probably most artists concerned about "warmth" in their >finished recordings, do so too. In short, i don't believe >the 96khz DVDs will be as good as yer all singing, all >dancing analog setup. that it will probably fit in a >suitcase, rather than a whole room, is about the only >thing i can see going for it. :)
yeah. all analogue mastering is fine but expensive and impractical. we've got this huge stack of ampex red snapper masters/demo here for instance and it's like a 6ft high stack - totally awkward - it all gets compiled to dat anyway.
quoted 1 line will it make 44khz records sound old and jaded ??>will it make 44khz records sound old and jaded ??
probably, i think the 24bit dynamic range of DVD will blow people away. i've heard reports...
quoted 1 line grin, people might have to 'upgrade' their CD collections.>grin, people might have to 'upgrade' their CD collections.
that'd be awful :)
quoted 4 lines stuart is right though, it *is* an imperfect recording>stuart is right though, it *is* an imperfect recording >medium. Listen to records made before the advent of DAT, >and those made (or mastered) afterwards. I don't have >the "worlds best ears", but I can spot the difference.
hmm. well i've always agreed with the analogue argue in theory but in practice...
quoted 11 lines why has the industry done this?>why has the industry done this? >is it a "cost thing"? you can >get 4 CD's into the same box as >1 LP? making them cheaper to >produce and ship? or what? > >soundwise, it sucks. > >you're a man "on the inside", please let us know. >for instance, are warp pressing as much vinyl as >they used to ??
erm, about the same i think. probably fairly stable numbers at the moment, but there is a long term downward trend.
quoted 2 lines or have you switched over to>or have you switched over to >primarily CD's ??
we always sell between 5 and 10 times as many cds as vinyl copies (for an album that is). we don't sell any vinyl in japan and very little in the usa.
quoted 1 line is this due to public demand ??>is this due to public demand ??
aboslutely. we make both formats available and people buy the cds. that's it.
quoted 2 lines or the "financially viable" option ?? Not enquiring>or the "financially viable" option ?? Not enquiring >about sales, figures, etc...merely curious.
CD's do have a greater margin on them. but we don't favour CD or vinyl we do both. CD's favour the artist in terms of royalites too :)
quoted 4 lines I feel (a bit) cheated when i buy a CD. LP's used>I feel (a bit) cheated when i buy a CD. LP's used >to be chunky, special, and full of bonus goodies. >oh, *AND* you can roll a joint on them. 12" vinyl >is still my prefered medium.
well yes. i always feel cheated by CD artwork and just the sheer plastic *feel* of it. but then my spanners CD still sounds super shit hot and my spanners vinyl is (unavoidably) crackly and dusty :( might i add that some CD players sound much better than others. my new sony CDP-XE510 for instance has far more weight, warmth and resolution than the last shitty thing i had. it cost about 150 quid or something. to get a similar sound from vinyl you'd have to spend upwards of 1500 quid. g.