On Thu, 9 Feb 1995, rbcIII wrote:
quoted 10 lines On Wed, 8 Feb 1995, Derek Oliver wrote:>
> On Wed, 8 Feb 1995, Derek Oliver wrote:
>
> > Maybe so, but back in the days of 1987-1989 acid house was terminology used
> > to describe a whole music style, not just the 303 sound. The term acid
> > was also used as slang to reffer to "burning" (stealing bits of other
> > peoples records). Therefore records catorgorized as "Acid House" didn't
> > necessarily have to be full on 303 assaults.
>
> Maybe this wis the (mis)terminology in the UK by some people,
this was used in Chicago as well
but there
quoted 1 line also very well informed people.> also very well informed people.
Back then Acid wasn't clearly defined like it is now (the sound of the
303), they were calling a lot of shit acid, even if it didn't have the
303. Maube this is wrong by todays standards, but looking back on it and
saying these people didn't know what the fuck was going on just because
they didn't use a 303 is wrong in my opinion.
Take A Guy Called Gerald for instance.
quoted 1 line He made classic acid tracks back in the day.> He made classic acid tracks back in the day.
Yeah, I know, Newbuild (him and 808 state) is one of my favorites, why?
because it is much more complicated and has many more layers than most or
all of the shit from Chicago.
Also the fella's that
quoted 6 lines became Bizarre Inc. did a record in '88 called Acid Trance on Blue Chip> became Bizarre Inc. did a record in '88 called Acid Trance on Blue Chip
> that is a 303esque EP (it's not actually a 303 they used - if you know the
> sound well enough - it sounds more like a 101 or 202, but it's very good
> none the less). I remember some people calling Todd Terry Acid House
> back then, because it was repetitive sample based (wrongly stated as
> most now know).
"Acid house, if that is what you want to call it, has helped it branch
out. I don't know what acid house is though. They put my music into a
category, and gave it a label." Todd Terry, Option magazine JULY/AUG 1989.
Anyway here is a couple big Todd Terry "acid house" records. Swan
Lake-In The Name of Love, and Royal House-Can you Party, which was
incidently sampled ultra-heavily to become Dave Clarks Red 2, which was
hailed by some as the top track of 1994. How about that for influence.
A very popular track in the UK at that time was Maurice
quoted 2 lines - This is Acid, but the UK mixes were not even acidic. The original was> - This is Acid, but the UK mixes were not even acidic. The original was
> true acid from Chicago on Chicago Trax.
Hell I haven't heard the Trax version but Maurice this is Acid is the Acid
equivalant of Two Unlimited in my as well as others opinions. The
guy who made that track, Marice Joshua, has done some fairly underground
shit, but that one was made for the charts. (Any song that says "This is
Acid" or "This is Techno" just doesn't seem underground to me. Yeah,
I have a lot of the old shit on Blue Chip as well, that was some
cool shit, take the Smiley Peoples It makes me happy for instance.
quoted 19 lines Also the term "Acid" was>
> > Also the term "Acid" was
> > mis/interpreted to relate to lsd, which regardless or not of proper use
> > it had a big influence on the psychedelic properties addtributed to "Acid
> > House" music and parties.
>
> Actually I read an article interviewing either Marshal Jefferson or DJ
> Pierre about the Warehouse in Chicago back then. Apparently Jefferson
> and Pierre gave Frankie Knuckles a reel to reel recording of Acid Tracks
> before they had named it (almost two years or something before it was
> pressed). This is still done to this day because last time I heard
> Frankis spin I saw him using reel to reel... Anyway Jefferson or Pierre
> went on to say in the interview that the water in the Warehouse was often
> spiked with LSD and when Knuckles would put on this track they wrote
> people would go absolutely ape shit on the dance floor. Pierre and
> Jefferson partially attributed the response to the track to the fact that
> people were tripping, so it was subsequently dubbed "acid music". Thus
> "Acid Tracks" became the record to define the sound. The rest is history
> so to speak.
Cool, that is another reason that acid house did not just neccesarily
refer to the 303.>
quoted 7 lines all this stuff, but to say that Psychic TV didn't> > all this stuff, but to say that Psychic TV didn't
> > contribute to "Acid House" would be an
> > understatemnet in my opinion. Just thought I would
>
> I don't see how influencing Tim Simenon or S-Express has anything to do
> with "Acid House" either. Clearly they never wrote anything close to
> acidic.
They sure did, listen to Bomb the Bass Into the Dragon lp or the Fluffy
Bagel Mix of Theme from S-Express, and you will see what I mean. They
also contributed loads to the hype surrounding acid house, regardless of
whether this is good or bad, it made an impact on where we are today.
Mind you they were dance and sample influence, but Todd Terry
quoted 12 lines had an equal effect on the UK house/dance scene and his tracks are more> had an equal effect on the UK house/dance scene and his tracks are more
> aparent in the styles of early UK stuff.
>
> > House" influenced. How about some 303 tracks that are not just variations
> > of Phuture-Acid Tracks etc.
>
> Boy if you think all acid is a variation on Acid Tracks, you need to get
> out more. Try the Universal Indicator EP's. Not even close to Phuture's
> style. Check out the acid stuff on UR or other Submerge distributed
> stuff. Mad Mike tweaks a 303 that blows all others away. Also look into
> the German stuff like Dance Extasy 2000 (or is it 2001 - I can't remember).
>
I know it is a generalization, but the opinion with a lot of people is
that it has to be a 303 with an 808/909 to classify as acid
exclusively. It was a shitty generalization, sorry. As far as getting
out more and hearing the shit you mentioned, thank you but I have heard
them. I like them as well.
When I was speaking of acid house, I was speaking of underground
electronic and sample based house music from 1987-1989, that was (wrongly?)
classified
as acid house at the time. I think are main argument lies in our
definitions. I don't mean to come off as a name dropping know it all
either, I just say it as i interpret it, and my opinions are not meant in
any way to be viewed as personal attacks. I get off on these little
discussions, thanks for the reply.
Derek
quoted 7 lines -robert> -robert
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