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1994-06-03 15:50multiparathere's a one page ad in a german mag for ai 2. warp is distributed by rough trade in germ

From:: multipara <Peter.Gebert@uni-konstanz.de>
To:: <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 16:50:24 +0100
Subject:: ai2 formats

there's a one page ad in a german mag for ai 2. warp is distributed by rough trade in germany, so i wonder whether the track listings are the same or different in the uk versions (i don't know how much changes on the way from warp to rough trade). anyway, they're different. so anyway watch out and choose before you order or buy one or the other. i already regret having ordered the lpltd version. all formats (cd, lp, cdltd, lpltd) have mark franklin - release to the system hia - selinite link - arcadian b12 - scriptures autechre - chatter speedy j - symmetry beaumont hannant - utuba rh kirk - reality net balil / bdp - parasight seefeel - spangle. the following tracks are cdltd only: polygon window - my teapot kenny larkin - maritime scanners (hidden track) and lpltd only is (extra 12"): something by kenny larkin (maritime?) darrel fitton - metalurg p.

1994-09-22 01:38Chris.Hilker[AI2 in Europe] > the following tracks are cdltd only: >polygon window - my teapot >kenny

From:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@netcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 18:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)
Reply to:: ai2 formats

[AI2 in Europe]

quoted 7 lines the following tracks are cdltd only:

> the following tracks are cdltd only: >polygon window - my teapot >kenny larkin - maritime >scanners (hidden track) > and lpltd only is (extra 12"): >something by kenny larkin (maritime?) >darrel fitton - metalurg

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Since this clearly isn't on the US limited double CD on Wax Trax, I have to ask why, back in June, KRAKHED@AOL.COM went ballistic when mikebee suggested that the US issue might be missing tracks:

quoted 12 lines for the last time..THE DOMESTIC IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE IMPORT!!(with the

> for the last time..THE DOMESTIC IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE IMPORT!!(with the >exception of the metallic gold ink which makes the type too hard to read if >you ask me). > >I'm really sorry if you guys have bought comps in the past with tracks >missing on the domestic but that's not the way WAX tRAX does business.to my >knowledge we (WAX TRAX) have never released a comp or LP without all the >tracks from the import.I'm kinda pissed off that just cause other domestic >labels have cut tracks that you would assume that we would.REMEMBER..i'm just >as into this stuff as you are. >PLEASE RELAX . >I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

He can't claim that since it isn't on the import CD, it shouldn't be on the US CD, since "Maritime" isn't on the UK CD, but it's on the US. So I ask, why was "Metalurg" left off, and why wasn't KRAKHED straight with us about the fact that it was being left off? I wouldn't be complaining, if not for the fact that I was led to believe that I was getting everything, by somone indignant about it. C. -- cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker)........a good-foot dance in a dusted trance

1994-09-22 18:43transmat@teleport.comIn regards to the TVT ai2 missing track... I have the vinyl import so i cant confirm this

From:: <transmat@teleport.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:43:06 -0800
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track... I have the vinyl import so i cant confirm this but... in alt.rave some one posted the info that there is a hidden track at the end of one of the 2 CD's... some one might want to check this out.... regrds richard bleep...bleep...transmat@teleport.com

1994-09-22 19:09Chris.Hilker>In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track... >I have the vinyl import so i cant confirm thi

From:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@netcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:09:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)
Reply to:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

quoted 4 lines In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track...

>In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track... >I have the vinyl import so i cant confirm this but... >in alt.rave some one posted the info that there is a hidden track at the >end of one of the 2 CD's...

Yes, this was mentioned as "scanners (hidden track)" in the original message. C. -- cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker)........a good-foot dance in a dusted trance

1994-09-22 18:57John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.auHowdy, [AI2 in Europe] > the following tracks are cdltd only: >polygon window - my teapot

From:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 94 11:57:55 PDT
Subject:: RE: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

Howdy, [AI2 in Europe]

quoted 7 lines the following tracks are cdltd only:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmm... I live in Sydney, Australia and bought the AI2 limited edition double gold CD as an import. My 2nd CD has the usual tracks (as far as I know) then: darrel fitton - blipsalt ---> Does this track appear on your copy? polygon window - my teapot kenny larkin - maritime scanners (hidden track)

quoted 6 lines He can't claim that since it isn't on the import CD, it shouldn't be on

> He can't claim that since it isn't on the import CD, it shouldn't be on > the US CD, since "Maritime" isn't on the UK CD, but it's on the US. So I > ask, why was "Metalurg" left off, and why wasn't KRAKHED straight with us > about the fact that it was being left off? I wouldn't be complaining, if > not for the fact that I was led to believe that I was getting everything, > by somone indignant about it.

It's all quite confusing really, but he's probably right if he was only talking about the standard AI2 release, which he might have been. He probably was, since if Warp gave the rights to the ltd edition release, to WaxTrax, it wouldn't be so limited anymore (if you get my drift). Still its annoying and a dubious marketing ploy on Warps part... well I think so. Regards, John /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ | JOHN BUS (aka. JOHNNY TURBO) | | SNAIL - Digital Access | | Box 13, 7 Sagar Place North Ryde 2113 Australia | | EMAIL - John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au OR turbo@twister.apana.org.au | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/

1994-09-22 21:32John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.auHowdy, > It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post > that the

From:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:32:40 PDT
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

Howdy,

quoted 4 lines It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post

> It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post > that the US Wax Trax double cd would have all the tracks from the various > UK releases. Do you have the UK limited ed double cd? If so, that's > probably why.

It was clear and yes I do have the UK limited edition double CD. My point was that if TVT releases it locally in the US, it doesn't become limited edition anymore. So the original guy was probably only basing it on the standard AI2 release.... Well maybe. :) My understanding is that limited edition usually means a set number of no more than 10,000 copies. :) Regards, John /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ | JOHN BUS (aka. JOHNNY TURBO) | | SNAIL - Digital Access | | Box 13, 7 Sagar Place North Ryde 2113 Australia | | EMAIL - John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au OR turbo@twister.apana.org.au | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/

1994-09-22 07:35Chris.Hilker>> It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post >> that the US W

From:: Chris.Hilker <cspot@netcom.com>
To:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 00:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)
Reply to:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

quoted 8 lines It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post

>> It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post >> that the US Wax Trax double cd would have all the tracks from the various >> UK releases. Do you have the UK limited ed double cd? If so, that's >> probably why. > >It was clear and yes I do have the UK limited edition double CD. My point >was that if TVT releases it locally in the US, it doesn't become limited >edition anymore.

Unless their edition is also limited (which it is: the US double CD is starting to get hard to find).

quoted 2 lines So the original guy was probably only basing it on the standard AI2

>So the original guy was probably only basing it on the standard AI2 >release.... Well maybe. :)

I sincerely doubt it, considering that the post that raised his ire was a call to cross-reference all the limited editions Warp put out to check if all the tracks would be included. C. -- cspot@netcom.com (Chris.Hilker)........a good-foot dance in a dusted trance

1994-09-23 16:03John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.auHowdy, >>> It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post >>> that

From:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:03:36 PDT
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

Howdy,

quoted 8 lines It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post

>>> It might not be clear, but Chris was indicating krakhed@aol.com's post >>> that the US Wax Trax double cd would have all the tracks from the various >>> UK releases. Do you have the UK limited ed double cd? If so, that's >>> probably why. >> >>It was clear and yes I do have the UK limited edition double CD. My point >>was that if TVT releases it locally in the US, it doesn't become limited >>edition anymore.

quoted 2 lines Unless their edition is also limited (which it is: the US double CD is

>Unless their edition is also limited (which it is: the US double CD is >starting to get hard to find).

Hence making the fact that the limited part of the so called limited edition CD a joke... it means that any o/s record company can pick it up and sell it. What makes it limited?

quoted 2 lines So the original guy was probably only basing it on the standard AI2

>So the original guy was probably only basing it on the standard AI2 >release.... Well maybe. :)

quoted 3 lines I sincerely doubt it, considering that the post that raised his ire was

>I sincerely doubt it, considering that the post that raised his ire was >a call to cross-reference all the limited editions Warp put out to check >if all the tracks would be included.

Maybe he was just having a bad day. :) Regards, John /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ | JOHN BUS (aka. JOHNNY TURBO) | | SNAIL - Digital Access | | Box 13, 7 Sagar Place North Ryde 2113 Australia | | EMAIL - John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au OR turbo@twister.apana.org.au | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/

1994-09-22 23:35Joseph MorrisonOn Fri, 23 Sep 1994 John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au wrote: > >Unless their edition is also limi

From:: Joseph Morrison <brapman@netcom.com>
To:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)
Reply to:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

On Fri, 23 Sep 1994 John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au wrote:

quoted 6 lines Unless their edition is also limited (which it is: the US double CD is

> >Unless their edition is also limited (which it is: the US double CD is > >starting to get hard to find). > > Hence making the fact that the limited part of the so called limited > edition CD a joke... it means that any o/s record company can pick it > up and sell it. What makes it limited?

It is my understanding that the US release is limited in this fashion: first print (fading...fast? I dunno) was/is a 2 CD set. Subsequent printings are supposed to be ONE CD. The vinyl is the same here and overseas; TVT just imported copies and slapped a sticker on the back with domestic issue info and catalog numbers. Later. (P.S. the quote you were wrongly quoted for was mine, in part.) =B)

1994-09-23 01:10Dave ManningOn Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joseph Morrison wrote: > It is my understanding that the US release i

From:: Dave Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>
To:: Joseph Morrison <brapman@netcom.com>
Cc:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:10:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)
Reply to:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joseph Morrison wrote:

quoted 3 lines It is my understanding that the US release is limited in this fashion:

> It is my understanding that the US release is limited in this fashion: > first print (fading...fast? I dunno) was/is a 2 CD set. Subsequent > printings are supposed to be ONE CD.

I don't know about this -- the first CD I found (at Best Buy, not too long after the release date) was the SINGLE disc, w/out extra tracks. In fact, if anyone has a line on the double-disc, drop me a line... Dave .----------------------------------------------dmanning@dreamland.unomaha.edu | "There's something the matter with me" dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu | --Intermix dmanning@eworld.com .-------------------------------------------- dgmanning@aol.com

1994-09-23 04:13Joseph MorrisonOn Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Dave Manning wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joseph Morrison wrote: > >

From:: Joseph Morrison <brapman@netcom.com>
To:: Dave Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>
Cc:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 21:13:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)
Reply to:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Dave Manning wrote:

quoted 11 lines On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joseph Morrison wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Sep 1994, Joseph Morrison wrote: > > > It is my understanding that the US release is limited in this fashion: > > first print (fading...fast? I dunno) was/is a 2 CD set. Subsequent > > printings are supposed to be ONE CD. > > I don't know about this -- the first CD I found (at Best Buy, not too long > after the release date) was the SINGLE disc, w/out extra tracks. In fact, > if anyone has a line on the double-disc, drop me a line... > > Dave

I have not seen the single version. I just remember what the one-sheets from WaxWarpTVT said way back when. I still have a couple of the 2-CD version for sale at work. $22.00ppd if you wish. That's the best I could do. We aren't a mail-order service, but I hate to see people in need when it comes to music. =B)

1994-09-23 16:22John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.auHowdy, > In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track... > I have the vinyl import so i cant co

From:: <John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:22:16 PDT
Subject:: Re: What gives, KRAKHED? (was Re: ai2 formats)

Howdy,

quoted 5 lines In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track...

> In regards to the TVT ai2 missing track... > I have the vinyl import so i cant confirm this but... > in alt.rave some one posted the info that there is a hidden track at the > end of one of the 2 CD's... > some one might want to check this out....

There is, but its by the very much over-rated Scanner who basically just scan the mobile phone network for suitable conversations to drop into uninspiring ambient dawdling... Bleurgh. Well to the hidden track anyway. :) Regards, John /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ | JOHN BUS (aka. JOHNNY TURBO) | | SNAIL - Digital Access | | Box 13, 7 Sagar Place North Ryde 2113 Australia | | EMAIL - John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au OR turbo@twister.apana.org.au | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/

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