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Re: The D in IDM... and FFWD

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◇ merged from 2 subjects: the d in idm... and ffwd · the decline of the d
1994-08-21 21:03John Christian Vegher The Decline of the D
├─ 1994-08-21 23:50Jeff Holland Re: The D in IDM... and FFWD
└─ 1994-08-22 12:53fletcher Re: The Decline of the D
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1994-08-21 21:03John Christian VegherWhere has the D gone in IDM? Some of the best IDM artists have almost completely abandoned
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Sun, 21 Aug 1994 17:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
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The Decline of the D
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Where has the D gone in IDM? Some of the best IDM artists have almost completely abandoned rhythm and beats in their latest releases. The Orb, FFWD, Global Communication, Future Sound of London, Aphex Twin. These are arguably the top acts in the business. Virtually all of their previous releases (except FFWD, of course) featured FAT beats, wicked, original sounds, and one could DANCE (more or less) to all of them. All of their latest works have been somewhat of a disappointment to me. The new Pomme Frites ep and the new FSOL just sound like the intros of the bands' previous work. The same could be said for all the other groups I've mentioned. Where be the beats? Besides the fact that I personally find this disappointing (I really enjoyed all the more danceable tracks) I find this sudden shift interesting. Why did all of these amazing talents almost simultaneously decide to go so atmospheric? Disclaimer: I have the utmost respect for all of the bands mentioned below. They define the genre. I also really enjoy ambient music. It just seems strange to me that all of these heavilly beat/rhythm oriented bands have suddenly decided to completely/almost completely lose the beats en masse. Que paso? Peace. John ||| oo < = ---- What do jooz guyz tink?
1994-08-21 23:50Jeff HollandWho needs beats? The interesting thing in the IDM genre is exploration and experimentation
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Sun, 21 Aug 1994 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT)
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Re: The D in IDM... and FFWD
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Who needs beats? The interesting thing in the IDM genre is exploration and experimentation, not repetition (except for that occasional locked-trance groove). I've got to fess that I was dissapointed w/ FFWD, but not because of an absense of "beats"- it's the dearth of melodies! We all acknowledge that the Orb are a master of studio manipulation, but it sure seems like they have run out of ideas. Fripp should have whomped their butts- seems like they stuck him off in a corner and said "Don't make too much noise"... (BUT DON'T FLAME ME). "Ah, but I've still got my Global Communications!" -Jefferson
1994-08-22 12:53fletcherCertainly the orb, the aphex twin, and fsol are some of the pinnacles of IDM, but don't fo
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fletcher
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Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:53:15 EDT
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Re: The Decline of the D
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Certainly the orb, the aphex twin, and fsol are some of the pinnacles of IDM, but don't forget about Autechre, B12, Black Dog Productions, Speedy J, and Polygon Window (and others, of course :). Their new stuff on AI2 is certainly danceable in most cases (and so is Pommes Fritz, really). That said, there does seem to be a trend towards more atmospheric sounding tracks in IDM today. I think it has to do with the way Ambient music and IDM have been gradually being put in the mainstream spotlight. This sends the artists scurrying, they are trying not to get stuck in a rut and the way they're doing it is by being more ambient. [fletcher]