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1994-07-10 15:17Dave ManningHi golx: This is "random blatherings" post of some things on my mind as I drove around thi

From:: Dave Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>
To:: Innocent Destructive Machines <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: The Wild, the Innocent, and the IDM Jumble

Hi golx: This is "random blatherings" post of some things on my mind as I drove around this morning... * What's a good IDM-centric music mag? "Alternative Press" does fairly well with it's BPM section (I read about the new CV, for instance, scant hours before the review showed up [and hey, while I'm at it, kudos to the critic for the Web page; very nice]), but am wondering what else worthwhile is out there. Comments and suggestions are welcome. * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conversation_ soon, but am wondering how many old-school (?) CV fans there are - from, say, the _Arm of the Lord_ era, or earlier. I'm not a rabid fan, but I like stuff from _Red Mecca_ to _Johnny YesNo_ to _Arm_ to _Code_ to the even admittedly lame "Hypnotised" single (which, for a house tune, isn't that bad; plus, the single had cool postcards in it). Are there more of you out there, or is the general consensus one of CV being just Kirk and everything past _Colours_ as IDM-territory? * Which leads me to another question. A while back someone polled the list members for the top IDM songs of all time, or some other such MTV-like survey. I immediately thought first about "Headhunter" by Front242 and "Isle of Man" by Ministry, *not* about Richard James or Richie Hawtin. Someone out there must remember _This is Electronic Body Music_ and the like. Is it a worthwhile endeavor to even suggest the Belgian revolution as being just as important as Detroit housecore in the development of this type of music? I suppose I ought not forget Eno in there as well... * Finally - FFWD, or whatever it's called. Is there a record out, or is the track on TEEX2 just a nugget of goodness, never to be repeated? Good thing I had my Wheaties this morning - that was a long one. Dave :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu:::::::: :: "Guaranteed like Yoo-Hoo..." :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::--Beastie Boys:::::::::::::

1994-07-10 19:04Adam J WeitzmanOn Sun, 10 Jul 1994, Dave Manning wrote: > * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conve

From:: Adam J Weitzman <weitzman@individual.com>
To:: Dave Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>
Cc:: Innocent Destructive Machines <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:04:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: The Wild, the Innocent, and the IDM Jumble
Reply to:: The Wild, the Innocent, and the IDM Jumble

On Sun, 10 Jul 1994, Dave Manning wrote:

quoted 8 lines * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conversation_ soon, but am

> * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conversation_ soon, but am > wondering how many old-school (?) CV fans there are - from, say, the _Arm > of the Lord_ era, or earlier. I'm not a rabid fan, but I like stuff from > _Red Mecca_ to _Johnny YesNo_ to _Arm_ to _Code_ to the even admittedly > lame "Hypnotised" single (which, for a house tune, isn't that bad; plus, > the single had cool postcards in it). Are there more of you out there, or > is the general consensus one of CV being just Kirk and everything past > _Colours_ as IDM-territory?

I personally think that the three Virgin-era CV albums, _The_Crackdown_, _Micro-phonies_, and _The_Arm_Of_The_Lord_ are among the more important IDM historical references, but of course I am referring to a different IDM, what used to be called (and what I still call sometimes) "industrial dance music." I go back to these three (and _Code_) time and time again and never fail to see something new and interesting in them. They entice the imagination, bewilder the conscious mind and, at times, even make you want to bounce up and down uncontrollably, all of which IMHO make something worth listening to. This is by far my favorite CV era. (Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the FSoL song with the "Here To Go" sample in it would be ten times better if they had left it out? I appreciate the reference, but it seems so... out of place.)

quoted 4 lines * Which leads me to another question. A while back someone polled the list

> * Which leads me to another question. A while back someone polled the list > members for the top IDM songs of all time, or some other such MTV-like > survey. I immediately thought first about "Headhunter" by Front242 and > "Isle of Man" by Ministry, *not* about Richard James or Richie Hawtin.

Ah, another EBM lurker! I think sometimes that appreciation for that sort of music and its influence on the current IDM mindset is much less than what it ought to be. Unfortunately, with Front 242's maturation, Ministry's defection to speed-metal and the Depechification of Nitzer Ebb, there aren't many bands making decent EBM anymore except the Zoth Ommog stable, and even half of them aren't all that good. Ah, I long for the mid-late-80's WaxTrax! days... *sigh* But time marches on. I also recommend _The_Conversation_. Plenty there to keep the ears busy. - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com

1994-07-11 00:21transmat@teleport.com>> * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conversation_ soon, but am >> wondering how m

From:: <transmat@teleport.com>
To:: <idm@techno>
Date:: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:21:47 -0800
Subject:: Re: The Wild, the Innocent, and the IDM Jumble

quoted 2 lines * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conversation_ soon, but am

>> * Cabaret Voltaire: I've got to find _The Conversation_ soon, but am >> wondering how many old-school (?) CV fans there are -

continuing the dave and adam tread. and coming outta the closet. i reckon my 1st hearing of electronic music was those Krafty guys with Trans Europe Express, which led to Bamaataa and Planet Rock & Herbie Hancock and Rockit...i started listenin to CV about the time they did that track with the Outer Limits sample 'the 60 billion people of earth...where are they hiding?' which they (he?) recently used agin. Never really got into the Wax Trax stuff outside of the Pyschic TV (remember jack the tab?) and KLF releases. Then was into early hip-hop, chicago house then detroit techno, with some ny garage thrown in. Now...there is kinda a chasm betwixt all that stuff. Where i now live, portland, OR (hardly a bastion of anything but various offshoots of rock) at clubs they only play house (the commercial stuff) and acid jazz, period. I guess were are in a tribal period (& I dont mean tribal house music) where one sticks to their particular group. Oh well i could very well be competely off-target, cause like i said i'm living in Portland Oregon where everything is like alternative rock and little of anything else... anywho...my new favs at the moment are Moody Boyz_Product of the Environment Sun Electric-aahh mixed with blasts from the past Bryne/Eno-Bush of Ghostz - various traxs Kraftwerk- Autobahn album African Head Charge-just about anything Cybotron-Clear 808 State-flow comma see ya! time...space...transmat@teleport.com bleep on!

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