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I would think that if Orbital are doing a breakbeat album, than that would elevate the level of breakbeat, rather than lowering the level of Orbital. <<<<< Excuse me? "Elevate the level of breakbeat"??? I have had enough of the breakbeat slamming on this list, but hey, we all have different tastes, but some of the things I read are just plain stupidity! See, when Fluid says breakbeat isn't his stuff, I can accept it, cos he honestly gives it a fair listen. I don't know about anyone else on this list, I think the most breakbeat that people listen to is the Speed Limit comps and thats it! There is a lot more to breakbeat than most people realize! I don't think Orbital would elevate breakbeat. I think they'd be a sad commercial joke if they did breakbeat. I like Orbital a lot, but there are slews of breakbeat artists who are a lot better. They just don't get any respect because they are breakbeat! Is that right? I don't know, but I think it's time some people gave breakbeat another look over instead of saying absolutely stupid comments on how Orbital will bring about a whole new originality in breakbeat. Sorry. True hardcore artists have already done it, and have done it better than Orbital ever could! Breakbeat got really swamped when it got commercial. Kiddie choons out the ass and overused samples...but once it moved out of the mainstream glare a deeper more original form of music was born. No more monotonous beat loops here, folks. No more overused samples. Breakbeat is now at the cutting edge, unlike trance. Trance is now falling prey to the mainstream glare...so is ambience. Thank god for some artists in these genres who doon't feel the need to copy other people! But on to breakbeat: I don't know how often I see someone slamming it when they can't name a single record they have heard as of recent. I hate phrases like "People are tired of hard breakbeats...they want to groove..." It's stupidity. Why not give it a fair chance? Before you go off and label something as crap you should give it a listen! Check out these: Omni Trio "Rollin' Heights Vol. 4" A 4 track EP on Movin' Shadow Records (vinyl only, so you CD people are out of luck...as usual >:) Omni Trio creates some of the most beautiful stuff I have ever heard. Great drum tracks and deep rolling bass that just soothes your body...totally great stuff, not maniac 'ardkore. Call it "Chillcore"... The "Thru The Vibe (Bongo Mix)" is absolutely brilliant, using bongos and moving the record up to a slight frenzy and back out and in again... The whole EP is great. Get it. Ratty "A Taste of Things To Come EP" Another great record, deep bass, nice breaks, if I used the word "intelligent" to descibe would you listen?? 2 Bad Mice "Underworld" DEEP. The only way to describe this track...this is readily available on Speed Limit Vol. 3. Totally trippy and trancey. The way it should be done. I think anyone could appreciate this track if they are into trance. Oh I could go on and on, just check out Enforcers 6 & 7, Blame & Justice "Antemia/Essence"...etc! Ask people on the breaks list cos my records are woefully old and behind :( (no one stocks breakbeat in Georgia.) To sum it up: Don't write off breakbeat as a form of music, and don't think Orbital are going to make it any better...they will only mess up an already great form of music. Breakbeat has lived without Orbital for years and will continue to do so. (\/\/)

quoted 2 lines Some fool writes:

> > Some fool writes:

We'll see who the real fool is. Read on...

quoted 7 lines I would think that if Orbital are doing a breakbeat album, than that

> >>>>> > I would think that if Orbital are doing a breakbeat album, than that > would elevate the level of breakbeat, rather than lowering the level of > Orbital. > <<<<< > > Excuse me?

No, I don't think so.

quoted 1 line "Elevate the level of breakbeat"???

> "Elevate the level of breakbeat"???

You've taken this quote out of context. That fact that he says their new album won't "lower the level of Orbital" means something too...if he were slamming breaks he would have said "Orbital is going to go downhill..." I think his overall message is that Orbital will be giving breaks a lot of exposure, which is good for breaks, and that Orbital will still sound good. They may not be like DJ Crystl or Omni Trio (my favorite breaks artists), but they might incorporate some more intricate, "PHAT" rhthyms which can only make Orbital better (IMHO).

quoted 2 lines I have had enough of the breakbeat slamming on this list, but hey, we all

> I have had enough of the breakbeat slamming on this list, but hey, we all > have different tastes, but some of the things I read are just plain stupidity!

This is the IDM list so it's not required to be into breaks, but it's also not good to slam other music (like breaks), but I don't see any of that going on... I think you're making presumptions, like those who aren't into breaks implies that they slam them whenever the write a message praising Orbital or whatever...

quoted 4 lines See, when Fluid says breakbeat isn't his stuff, I can accept it, cos he

> See, when Fluid says breakbeat isn't his stuff, I can accept it, cos he > honestly gives it a fair listen. I don't know about anyone else on this list, > I think the most breakbeat that people listen to is the Speed Limit comps and > thats it! There is a lot more to breakbeat than most people realize!

Again, this is the IDM list, so I don't think people are interested in you pushing other styles of music here. Just be happy that (like me) you are pleased with both IDM and breaks...you're worrying too much about someone else slamming stuff, as if you actually MADE the music... just be happy!

quoted 4 lines I don't think Orbital would elevate breakbeat. I think they'd be a sad

> I don't think Orbital would elevate breakbeat. I think they'd be a sad > commercial joke if they did breakbeat. I like Orbital a lot, but there are > slews of breakbeat artists who are a lot better. They just don't get any > respect because they are breakbeat! Is that right?

Now who is the one slamming? No, it's not an inherent thing that breakbeat gets no respect because it's breakbeat...how silly! Some people like it, some hate it, some are indifferent and some LOVE it! Quite trying to defend it...it's not needed...breaks get PLENTY of respect just like most other forms of music.

quoted 5 lines I don't know, but I think

> I don't know, but I think > it's time some people gave breakbeat another look over instead of saying > absolutely stupid comments on how Orbital will bring about a whole new > originality in breakbeat. Sorry. True hardcore artists have already done it, > and have done it better than Orbital ever could!

"They just don't get any respect because they are [Orbital]! Is that right?" Don't be a hypocrite \/\/Affle. You haven't even HEARD it YET! I don't think you can be prejudice and credible at the same time. And there IS not "True hardcore" or "True" ANYTHING! Every song can be considered like people -- totally individual and different. Hardcore/breakbeat isn't actually completely innovative. The percussion sounds are either samples of live drums, drum machines, or both. These sounds are arranged carefully (using both loops and individual percussion sounds) to create a number of bars of rhythm...a breakbeat. The only difference between breaks and other music, therefore, is that the rhythms are very creative, and the tempo is sped up. The innovation and creativity is there, but it doesn't make it "true" or better. It's all opinion anyway...quite being so damn pretentious.

quoted 5 lines Breakbeat got really swamped when it got commercial. Kiddie choons out the ass

> Breakbeat got really swamped when it got commercial. Kiddie choons out the ass > and overused samples...but once it moved out of the mainstream glare a deeper > more original form of music was born. No more monotonous beat loops here, > folks. No more overused samples. Breakbeat is now at the cutting edge, unlike > trance. Trance is now falling prey to the mainstream glare...so is ambience.

Now you're slamming trance... or are you pointing out a "fact" (quoted because it's a fact in YOUR mind, but actually an opinion). Unless you hear every new trance track that comes out, I don't think your statement is justified. Besides, what do you mean by "trance"? Everyone has a different impression and definition of "trance" and "breakbeat" and whatever! You should elaborate with YOUR definition, instead of flaunting your impressions... and back up your claims! Stop acting like Mr. I-know-everything-and-I-am-ALWAYS-right! If you are right about ambient and trance being in the "mainstream glare," then the best is yet to come (if they follow the same pattern as breakbeat).

quoted 2 lines Thank god for some artists in these genres who doon't feel the need to copy

> Thank god for some artists in these genres who doon't feel the need to copy > other people!

And what's that supposed to mean?

quoted 1 line But on to breakbeat:

> But on to breakbeat:

How about some IDM? AI2 is great!

quoted 3 lines I don't know how often I see someone slamming it when they can't name a single

> I don't know how often I see someone slamming it when they can't name a single > record they have heard as of recent. I hate phrases like "People are tired of > hard breakbeats...they want to groove..." It's stupidity.

Damn, now you're calling a *LOT* of people stupid. There is nothing wrong with grooving...in fact, I'd say the groovy house vibe is much friendlier than the breakbeat phat-phresh-and-coolness vibe. ************DING!***DING!***DING!***WE*HAVE*A*WINNER!***ERR*LOSER!*************

quoted 2 lines Why not give it a fair chance? Before you go off and label something as crap

> Why not give it a fair chance? Before you go off and label something as crap > you should give it a listen!

Oh my phuqing god... now THIS is stupidity. \/\/affleBrain, I have to ask, have you heard the new Orbital? Don't give advice you can't take, hypocrite. *******************************************************************************

quoted 4 lines Check out these:

> Check out these: > Omni Trio "Rollin' Heights Vol. 4" > A 4 track EP on Movin' Shadow Records (vinyl only, so you CD people are out of > luck...as usual >:)

yes, those are good, but this is the IDM LIST! Stupidity...

quoted 6 lines Omni Trio creates some of the most beautiful stuff I have ever heard. Great

> Omni Trio creates some of the most beautiful stuff I have ever heard. Great > drum tracks and deep rolling bass that just soothes your body...totally great > stuff, not maniac 'ardkore. Call it "Chillcore"... The "Thru The Vibe (Bongo > Mix)" is absolutely brilliant, using bongos and moving the record up to a > slight frenzy and back out and in again... The whole EP is great. Get it. >

Yes yes YES! OK OK OK! I agree, they are WONDERFUL songs that have so much emotion and uplifting power... but do I need to repeat myself?

quoted 3 lines Ratty "A Taste of Things To Come EP"

> Ratty "A Taste of Things To Come EP" > Another great record, deep bass, nice breaks, if I used the word "intelligent" > to descibe would you listen??

OK, breaks can be consider dance music, can be considered intelligent (it takes brains to make tracks like these), and is of course music, but according to the definition for this list... IDM means something totally different.

quoted 4 lines 2 Bad Mice "Underworld"

> 2 Bad Mice "Underworld" > DEEP. The only way to describe this track...this is readily available on Speed > Limit Vol. 3. Totally trippy and trancey. The way it should be done. I think > anyone could appreciate this track if they are into trance.

Ah, I stand corrected... you aren't slamming trance... Trance is good, no? That's why breaks are incorporating it into some tracks. and Breaks are good, that's why I'm buying such GREAT trance records which have kicking rhythms... but I also like IDM, that's why I'm on this list, not to read about breaks... that's why there's a BREAKS LIST!

quoted 1 line Oh I could go on and on,

> Oh I could go on and on,

So could I. :) I don't think I'm frustrated cause you're posting this crap to IDM...rather, I think I'm having a good time flaming you into a burnt crisp. :)

quoted 2 lines To sum it up:

> To sum it up: > Don't write off breakbeat as a form of music, and don't think Orbital are

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quoted 2 lines going to make it any better...they will only mess up an already great

> going to make it any better...they will only mess up an already great > form of music.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, that makes a lot of sense... Pffft!! Who said Orbital are doing breaks? Who said they are going to copy? They said they were "influenced" by pirate radio. They're not TRYING to make it any better! They're going to create their own style, which I think will rock the floor! How are they going to "mess up" breakbeat? Geez, like Subbase and Movin'Shadow are going to fall to pieces because Orbital is coming out with a newie... Don't write off Orbital...

quoted 2 lines Breakbeat has lived without Orbital for years and will continue to do so.

> Breakbeat has lived without Orbital for years and will continue to do so. > (\/\/)

Whatever... breakbeat has sampled FSOL out the ass... I think there's even a break track that's sampled Orbital... "Chime" maybe... So, don't give us that crap. Orbital has been much more original...they've lived without breaks until they were influenced. But breaks artists were always the ones looking to other IDM and trance artists... -djkc

On Fri, 10 Jun 1994, CAPED CRUSADER wrote:

quoted 1 line Trance is now falling prey to the mainstream glare...so is ambience.

> Trance is now falling prey to the mainstream glare...so is ambience.

Ambience mainstream? That's the wackiest statement I've ever heard. How many labels do ambient? Five, maybe six? This is not mainstream. The Orb is popular, but only because Dr. LX and Thrash are genius. Who else gets people like the Mad Professor, Jah Wobble, and Steve Hillage to do tracks with them? Does Herbie Hancock show up to do breakbeat? I'm not putting down breakbeat, but don't crap on others tastes if you want them to accept yours.

quoted 1 line Call it "Chillcore"...

> Call it "Chillcore"...

Can't. Theres already a SF artist called Chill Core Collective, C-3 for short. He's ambient BTW. -robert