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Re: Orbital and IDM bollocks

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1994-06-11 08:23Christian Bartholdsson Re: Orbital and IDM bollocks
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1994-06-11 08:23Christian BartholdssonCaped Crusader writes: >jon writes: >>>>>> >this is a ridiculous relativistic pre-judgemen
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Caped Crusader writes:
quoted 8 lines jon writes:>jon writes: >>>>>> >this is a ridiculous relativistic pre-judgement. i'm not a big orbital fan, >but seeing as they've never done a breakbeat track yet, how can you say that >"there are slews of breakbeat artists who are a lot better?" ><<<<< >jon, from some of your IDM times i'd say you are a huge orbital fan... >or at least it seems that way...
Hahaha! Yeah, and I'm a huge William Orbit fan. :-)
quoted 2 lines i'm still trying to figure out why when a brilliant album comes out it gets>i'm still trying to figure out why when a brilliant album comes out it gets >no coverage at all if it has breaks. well. go figure.
Well, how many breakbeat artists make albums? Not many... Compared to how many ambient albums gets released every week, the jungle album output is NULL and void. As for breakbeat's bad reputation, Suburban Base are partly to blame. "Sesame's Treet" was just about the silliest song in music history and it's taken them two (three? - I can't remember) years to re-gain any respect, which is of course sad, seeing that they have been releasing top quality records for a long time now. Robert writes:
quoted 2 lines Ambience mainstream? That's the wackiest statement I've ever heard. How>Ambience mainstream? That's the wackiest statement I've ever heard. How >many labels do ambient? Five, maybe six?
Only five labels in the world release ambient? Good joke. There are two labels in Sweden (my homecountry) alone, releasing ambient records only (one is called Cascade and is worth checking out). There are interviews with ambient artists every week in the music press, hardly any at all with jungle artists. Ambient may not be mainstream but it's a hell lot less underground that breakbeat (no, it's not a competition, I know). - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
1994-06-11 23:55Rbc IIIOn Sat, 11 Jun 1994, Christian Bartholdsson wrote: > Only five labels in the world release
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On Sat, 11 Jun 1994, Christian Bartholdsson wrote:
quoted 6 lines Only five labels in the world release ambient? Good joke. There are two> Only five labels in the world release ambient? Good joke. There are two > labels in Sweden (my homecountry) alone, releasing ambient records only > (one is called Cascade and is worth checking out). There are interviews > with ambient artists every week in the music press, hardly any at all with > jungle artists. Ambient may not be mainstream but it's a hell lot less > underground that breakbeat (no, it's not a competition, I know).
Unfortunately I am not familiar with these Swedish labels. Maybe they're pretty "underground" _shudder_. I never stated that I was down on breakbeat, or that either style was more or less underground than the other. I simply stated that it _ambient_ gained more respect from originators of music, such as Jah Wobble... I live in San Francisco, so I consider the techno scene to be relatively saturated with ambient. Since parties that can pack in more than 2000 people rarely happen, I consider the scene underground here. Also, when parties happen and they have an ambient room, there's only about 20 or so people in them. It seems to me that this might indicate that it is a little more obscure, especially when party-goers can name practically all of the tunes the Dj's play off their heads. When you mention FAX Records, they usually have never even heard of it. Yes, ambient is getting good media hype from the RDJ, and Mixmaster Morris's, but the media we speak of is usually music publications for musicians or DJ's. How many of the "average" listeners actually pick up an NME or Street Sounds to find the latest news on techno? All I'm saying is that ambient is far from being mainstream. Media hype does not warrant a music being mainstream. If Top-40 radio stations start playing ambient tunes and Space Time Continuum tracks are blaring from cars passing by on the streat, then ambience has become mainstream. until then we are all beneath the surface -robert