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Did anyone else on this list (besides Fishead) go to Schizophrenia 3? I know I'm a month after the fact with this shit, but I haven't read any other mention of it on this list, and that was seriously one of the best parties I've ever been to. Abelcain's set was particularly mind-blowing. In my opinion, it's a shame that Venetian Snares gets so much attention while Abelcain continues in the shadows. I mean, Aaron is an amazing producer, and I love his music, and he deserves all the attention he gets, but Marty's stuff is so much it's equal, and to my ears, deeper. I mean, really, if you're talking about who's at the top of the chopped up breakbeats game, it's gonna be Snares and Abelcain. Abelcain's set at S3 was just, fucking jaw-dropping. So deep and layered, but with so much room to breath at the same time. Phenomenal. Can I get a witness? While, seriously, everyone who played was just the absolute tops (keep an eye out for Stagediver (stagediver.radiograffiti.org), this guy is definitely going places), Mark N was also notably fucking amazing, I hope more than a few of you out there got a chance to check him out on his recent tour. He reminded me what an amazing producer Current Value is when he dropped a couple of his tracks in his set. I also got turned onto the most excellent Ohio breakcore label, No Use For Talent records, and got the first release on Detroit's Void Tactical Media, which I highly recommend: it's J-Stat vs. Split Horizon, some crunchy mid-tempo breakcore/techno shiznit. At any rate, audio and video from the sets are starting to show up on the official site: http://schizophrenia.c8.com. There was video shot by multiple people of basically everything and hopefully that'll go up there. I didn't get a chance to check out Fishead's set because I was in the midst of collapsing from exhaustion, but he did an ALL-LAPTOP set, I kid you fucking not. Check his redux set on the Schizo site (we couldn't record it because the solid-state recorder ran out of room, and the DAT machine wouldn't turn on cause it was so humid in the space! Seriously, it kept blinking "DAMP DAMP DAMP" at us, not surprising considering sweat was dripping from the fucking ceiling by midnight). Also of note: the Unibomber/Davros Amiga 500 battle from Schizophrenia 2 recently came out on vinyl (double 12" on red vinyl, and sounds great) from Noizetek, and it is HIGHLY recommended for all fans of 8-bit breakcore. The sampling on that release is particularly fine. If you've heard the sets from S2, you know what you're getting, except a little bit clearer and without Doormouse MCing. And, of course, on red fucking vinyl. Anyway, after not reading the IDM list for a couple months, and finally going back and seeing how everyone was picking over the corpse of eyeedeeem again, I was surprised that there was nary a mention of breakcore. IMHO, that's where the energy's at, perhaps not breakcore-breakcore, but whatever breakcore's currently evolving into. You might disagree, but if you were at Schizo 3, you'd probably be feeling the same way as me right about now. Do I hear an amen? AMEN, BROTHER. Thanks, Fishead, for writing those reviews of Schizo 1 & 2. Without them, I probably wouldn't have been quite so motivated to go. If any of you want to go to one of the best fucking parties you will ever go to, be sure and travel to the midwest for Schizo 4, whenever the fuck they decide to have it (and they are definitely havin' another one). cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Nathan Judd wrote:

quoted 3 lines I think it's understandable that abelcain doesn't get as much attention as snare

> I think it's understandable that abelcain doesn't get as much attention as snares considering he hasn't > released nearly as much and hasn't even released a cd (unless you count a couple of limited-run cdrs). > I think snares and abelcain are the two best breakcore artists out there, though.

Point well taken. That said, as far as not releasing a CD, I dunno if the format is all that important, but he did release the 2xLP on Zhark, Pantheon of Fiends, so that's gotta count as a full-length release of some sort or another, as well as his 'Harpiscorpse' full-length. It's my understanding that there's a lot of stuff in the pipeline, too. Unfortunately, this question of "productivity" is more likely a reflection of each artists' economic conditions. Snares has labels beating his door down for releases (or so it seems - I'm sure reality is much different). Abelcain, on the other hand, has a full-time job. I know that Marty doesn't really do shit except work on his music when he's not working his job, and he'd probably release more stuff if he had more time to work on music. That's not to take anything away from Snares music. We all benefit from the fact that he's able to make a living off his art. On the other hand, I've talked to a lot of people who consider themselves fans of Venetian Snares, but have never heard of Abelcain, and in my mind, that's criminal. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2008/9/29 Wallace Winfrey <wally@booyaka.com>

quoted 5 lines That's not to take anything away from Snares music. We all benefit from

> > That's not to take anything away from Snares music. We all benefit from > the fact that he's able to make a living off his art. On the other hand, > I've talked to a lot of people who consider themselves fans of Venetian > Snares, but have never heard of Abelcain, and in my mind, that's criminal.

Count me in as one of those. I'll be checking this fellow out as well I guess, since I've been getting about everything Snares has released on plastic so far. It's like Snares is shitting tracks though. How many CD's does he release a year? It's hard to keep up. :) Since I'm not a vinyl buyer, does Abelcain have anything for sale somewhere as a digital non-DRM release? -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station

quoted 1 line That's not to take anything away from Snares music. We all benefit from> the fact

> That's not to take anything away from Snares music. We all benefit from> the fact that he's able to make a living off his art. On the other hand,> I've talked to a lot of people who consider themselves fans of Venetian> Snares, but have never heard of Abelcain, and in my mind, that's criminal.

Abelcain contributed a remix to the very first Venetian Snares cd - printf("shiver in eternal darkness/n");, but yeah - he's been nowhere as prolific over the past ten years... as far as full-lengths go, he also released the Key To Time disc on LowRes (under the name Davros)... and there are a few downloadable projects available on his site... http://abelcain.com/ check 'em out... the guy is brilliant. _________________________________________________________________

dj fishead wrote:

quoted 2 lines as far as full-lengths go, he also released the Key To Time disc on LowRes (under the name

> as far as full-lengths go, he also released the Key To Time disc on LowRes (under the name Davros)... > and there are a few downloadable projects available on his site... http://abelcain.com/

Ah yes, how could I forget these? Davros' Key To Time is coming out on vinyl soon-ish, too, I hear. The "ambient" releases available on his site are fantastic. Abelcain is also one half of "Have A Few, Get Some" (the other half is DJ Anonymous), and put out a full-length CD on Addict in 2001. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

*LATE reply* On Sun, September 28, 2008 7:53 pm, Wallace Winfrey wrote: --> Did anyone else on this list (besides Fishead) go to Schizophrenia 3? yup --> I know I'm a month after the fact with this shit, but I haven't read any --> other mention of it on this list, and that was seriously one of the best --> parties I've ever been to. Abelcain's set was particularly mind-blowing. i'd venture to say a big testament to how great his set went over with the crowd was the fact there was an A-BEL-CAIN chant going on at the end! --> In my opinion, it's a shame that Venetian Snares gets so much attention --> while Abelcain continues in the shadows. I mean, Aaron is an amazing --> producer, and I love his music, and he deserves all the attention he --> gets, but Marty's stuff is so much it's equal, and to my ears, deeper. I --> mean, really, if you're talking about who's at the top of the chopped up --> breakbeats game, it's gonna be Snares and Abelcain. Abelcain's set at S3 --> was just, fucking jaw-dropping. So deep and layered, but with so much --> room to breath at the same time. Phenomenal. Can I get a witness? amen brother? i'm not afraid to dance/convulse when people play (ESPECIALLY with a crowd of that size/enthusiasm) but i tend to be reserved with the applause & am definitely not a shouter/yeller... ...after my 8th "FUUUUUUCK YEEEAAAAH!!!" i was starting to wonder if i was becoming THAT guy... within 10-15 mins of the abelcain set, my glasses were thrown to the floor thanks to spastic "no-no" head shaking tactics, if that gives any idea to the hype going on... --> While, seriously, everyone who played was just the absolute tops (keep --> an eye out for Stagediver (stagediver.radiograffiti.org), this guy is --> definitely going places), Mark N was also notably fucking amazing, I --> hope more than a few of you out there got a chance to check him out on --> his recent tour. He reminded me what an amazing producer Current Value --> is when he dropped a couple of his tracks in his set. i'll also mention the beginning of the baseck vs dynasty set; 4 turntable hip hop battle type tactics but with a palette of noise & hard beats vs "usual" sounds you'd hear of the turntablism variety. --> I also got turned --> onto the most excellent Ohio breakcore label, No Use For Talent records, i picked up 5 releases from NRFT a week before schizophrenia; the Forbidden Society release on the NRFT sublabel abusive consequences is getting the most replays from me... especial the "dust" track. i was surprised to find out Forbidden Society was none other than Noize Punishment. repetitive & BANGING... --> and got the first release on Detroit's Void Tactical Media, which I --> highly recommend: it's J-Stat vs. Split Horizon, some crunchy mid-tempo --> breakcore/techno shiznit. i'll 2nd the recommendation: split horizon is over-driven gear-powered broken-beat bidness, if you're thinking hard Somatic Responses, you'll be in the ballpark... J-Stat's is similar in nature but there's a little more play/intricacy in the rhythm patterns. the silk-screened cover is tits too. --> At any rate, audio and video from the sets are starting to show up on --> the official site: http://schizophrenia.c8.com. There was video shot by --> multiple people of basically everything and hopefully that'll go up --> there. I didn't get a chance to check out Fishead's set because I was in --> the midst of collapsing from exhaustion, but he did an ALL-LAPTOP set, I --> kid you fucking not. thanks to Fishead, i haven't been able to get Ratt's "Round & Round" out of my head for some time now... --> Check his redux set on the Schizo site (we couldn't --> record it because the solid-state recorder ran out of room, and the DAT --> machine wouldn't turn on cause it was so humid in the space! Seriously, --> it kept blinking "DAMP DAMP DAMP" at us, not surprising considering --> sweat was dripping from the fucking ceiling by midnight). these statements still really don't paint a proper picture; it was a fucking sweat lodge in there serious perception impairments without (over)inebriation influences... --> Also of note: the Unibomber/Davros Amiga 500 battle from Schizophrenia 2 --> recently came out on vinyl (double 12" on red vinyl, and sounds great) --> from Noizetek, and it is HIGHLY recommended for all fans of 8-bit --> breakcore. The sampling on that release is particularly fine. If you've --> heard the sets from S2, you know what you're getting, except a little --> bit clearer and without Doormouse MCing. And, of course, on red fucking --> vinyl. not only is it red, but with it being translucent, if you hold it up to the light, it has a marbling quality to it ---> pretty cool. even though i have plenty of early bloody fist 12", i don't think i've heard a n 8-bit release sound this DIRTY... raw raw raw. the phone call @ the beginning of the unibomber side is amusing --> Anyway, after not reading the IDM list for a couple months, and finally --> going back and seeing how everyone was picking over the corpse of --> eyeedeeem again, I was surprised that there was nary a mention of --> breakcore. IMHO, that's where the energy's at, perhaps not --> breakcore-breakcore, but whatever breakcore's currently evolving into. --> You might disagree, but if you were at Schizo 3, you'd probably be --> feeling the same way as me right about now. Do I hear an amen? AMEN, --> BROTHER. i don't think you're going to get any love on this list w/ talk like that... BUT, schizophrenia 3 was THE shite ...i'll try my damndest to be there if a pt 4 is on the horizon. --> Thanks, Fishead, for writing those reviews of Schizo 1 & 2. Without --> them, I probably wouldn't have been quite so motivated to go. If any of --> you want to go to one of the best fucking parties you will ever go to, --> be sure and travel to the midwest for Schizo 4, whenever the fuck they --> decide to have it (and they are definitely havin' another one). definitely, eh? i'm there. -geoff/drbmd -- badtaste4life.com badtastesucks.com animalswithinanimals.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org