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2006-05-19 12:19Alan Lockett [idm] Believe the hype?
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2006-05-19 12:19Alan LockettOK. So the Burial release has hit and boomkat's gone apeshit: "...a shocking debut", we're
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OK. So the Burial release has hit and boomkat's gone apeshit: "...a shocking debut", we're told. Yep. <http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21299> It's also peeing in its hyperbolic pants about The Gentleman Losers. Who are these people? Dunno, but... "Album of the year", apparently. Mhm. <http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21826> When other listees (preferably those less prone to ecstatic textuality) have actually heard these recordings, I'd be interested to hear further comments/feedback, etc. thanks, alan ---------------------- Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-05-19 13:27carl morris plugtwoI'm looking forward to hearing the album as I enjoyed Burial's South London Boroughs EP on
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I'm looking forward to hearing the album as I enjoyed Burial's South London Boroughs EP on Hyperdub. It sounds distinct from any other dubstep that I've heard. Part of the appeal for me are the distant and muffled sounds. So it's closer to vintage dub than, say, the releases on Tempa. I played one of the tracks on a big system recently and even more ghostly sounds came out, like Upsetter dubs. Boomkat is a shop, lest we forget, and makes no claims of impartiality... A bit of zeal is expected! But I'd second your request for album comments. thanks Carl Alan Lockett wrote:
quoted 27 lines OK. So the Burial release has hit and boomkat's gone apeshit:> > OK. So the Burial release has hit and boomkat's gone apeshit: > "...a shocking debut", we're told. Yep. > <http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21299> > > It's also peeing in its hyperbolic pants about The Gentleman Losers. > Who are these people? Dunno, but... "Album of the year", apparently. Mhm. > <http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21826> > > When other listees (preferably those less prone to ecstatic > textuality) have actually heard these recordings, I'd be interested to > hear further comments/feedback, etc. > > thanks, > alan > > ---------------------- > Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) > Language Centre, University of Bristol, > 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK > tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2006-05-19 13:46Alan LockettYeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced to me as the dubst
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Yeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced to me as the dubstep artist most likely to appeal to "you Basic Channel/Rhythm & Sound types". And in the same breath characterised as "not really out-and-out dubstep". I guess that's why I find him the most intriguing of the acts I've heard. Same with Boxcutter. They're drawing from the template and cutting it with other genre substances. And, yeah, re: boomkat, I *can* understand the zeal, residing as it does an area somewhere between sort of 'promoter' and 'fan' roles, rather than the more detached 'critic'. I guess I've just been told of one too many 'mighty' 'killer' 'utterly essential' albums which turned out to be a bit crap (thank you, Art Critic for The Guardian). alan --On 19 May 2006 14:27 +0100 carl morris plugtwo <carl@plugtwo.com> wrote:
quoted 45 lines I'm looking forward to hearing the album as I enjoyed Burial's South> I'm looking forward to hearing the album as I enjoyed Burial's South > London Boroughs EP on Hyperdub. It sounds distinct from any other dubstep > that I've heard. Part of the appeal for me are the distant and muffled > sounds. So it's closer to vintage dub than, say, the releases on Tempa. I > played one of the tracks on a big system recently and even more ghostly > sounds came out, like Upsetter dubs. > > Boomkat is a shop, lest we forget, and makes no claims of impartiality... > A bit of zeal is expected! > > But I'd second your request for album comments. > > thanks > Carl > > > Alan Lockett wrote: > >> >> OK. So the Burial release has hit and boomkat's gone apeshit: >> "...a shocking debut", we're told. Yep. >> <http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21299> >> >> It's also peeing in its hyperbolic pants about The Gentleman Losers. >> Who are these people? Dunno, but... "Album of the year", apparently. Mhm. >> <http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=21826> >> >> When other listees (preferably those less prone to ecstatic >> textuality) have actually heard these recordings, I'd be interested to >> hear further comments/feedback, etc. >> >> thanks, >> alan >> >> ---------------------- >> Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) >> Language Centre, University of Bristol, >> 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK >> tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >>
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2006-05-24 14:08David Sim> Yeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced to > me as the d
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quoted 6 lines Yeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced to> Yeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced to > me as the dubstep artist most likely to appeal to "you Basic Channel/Rhythm > &Sound types". And in the same breath characterised as "not really > out-and-out dubstep". I guess that's why I find him the most intriguing of > the acts I've heard. Same with Boxcutter. They're drawing from the template > and cutting it with other genre substances.
The Burial album arrived on my doormat this morning, and the initial impression is that it really is fantastic. I love the way that as well as having some distance from dubstep and its ancestors, garage, jungle and hardcore, he's got a really deep understanding of them - something that's normally missing from 'genre but not really genre' records. I'll give Boxcutter a bit more of a listen, but I've not been too impressed with what I've heard so far - he seems to go a bit maximalist and lose that incredible meditative atmospheric sparseness - sort of like a Rothko painting made out of bass - that makes dubstep so unique and exciting. At the moment, 'cutting dubstep with other genre substances' seems a bit like watering it down. Unless you're Burial, in which case you can get away with murder because you're gifted. Apparently he'd never heard anything like Basic Channel until Kode 9 played them to him, though - he just arrived at a similar sound directly from garage. David This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-05-24 15:27Alan LockettYes, from listening to the 'South London Boroughs' EP (and the Radio 1 Mary Anne Hobbs Bre
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Yes, from listening to the 'South London Boroughs' EP (and the Radio 1 Mary Anne Hobbs Breezeblock Mix), you do get that sense of someone who's working within a 'situated' position of 'knowledge' sort of *within* the (sub-)genre pushing outwards, rather than someone on the outside opportunistically reaching in and and nabbing some bits they like the look of to embellish their own differently-spirited little vehicle. Agreed on Boxcutter, I see his position vis-a-vis dubstep as more analogous to Squarepusher's relationship to jungle/d'n'b. It's appropriating and remodelling. Like you say, the maximalism that comes from his more 'IDM' sensibility means that he loses the tension that comes out of the sparseness and feeling of 'withholding' of what is almost there but never gets stated (see e.g. Pinch's 'Qawwali') - a kind of 'spectral' quality that's present in 'genuine' dubstep. Interesting that Burial had never heard BC/R&S - I thought there might have been some degree of allusiveness there in the name (cf. R&S's 'burial mix'). There ya go. Still haven't ear'oled the album, alas. OOC, where'd you pick it up from... Warpmart? alan --On 24 May 2006 15:08 +0100 David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
quoted 38 lines Yeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced>> Yeah, I liked the 'South London Boroughs' EP too. Burial was introduced >> to me as the dubstep artist most likely to appeal to "you Basic >> Channel/Rhythm &Sound types". And in the same breath characterised as >> "not really out-and-out dubstep". I guess that's why I find him the >> most intriguing of the acts I've heard. Same with Boxcutter. They're >> drawing from the template and cutting it with other genre substances. > > The Burial album arrived on my doormat this morning, and the initial > impression is that it really is fantastic. I love the way that as well as > having some distance from dubstep and its ancestors, garage, jungle and > hardcore, he's got a really deep understanding of them - something that's > normally missing from 'genre but not really genre' records. > > I'll give Boxcutter a bit more of a listen, but I've not been too > impressed with what I've heard so far - he seems to go a bit maximalist > and lose that incredible meditative atmospheric sparseness - sort of like > a Rothko painting made out of bass - that makes dubstep so unique and > exciting. At the moment, 'cutting dubstep with other genre substances' > seems a bit like watering it down. Unless you're Burial, in which case > you can get away with murder because you're gifted. > > Apparently he'd never heard anything like Basic Channel until Kode 9 > played them to him, though - he just arrived at a similar sound directly > from garage. > > David > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your > computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > permitted by UK legislation. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
---------------------- Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org