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2005-12-07 01:05[idm] A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
├─ 2005-12-07 01:38nat hawks [idm] Little Fury Things MEGA-SLAM!!! 12/15@Cake Shop/NY
├─ 2005-12-07 05:02Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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└─ 2005-12-07 07:48n3wjack Re: [idm] A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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2005-12-07 07:15Eric [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-07 07:18Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-07 07:51Eric Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-07 07:59Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
├─ 2005-12-07 11:56nat hawks Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
│ └─ 2005-12-07 12:09Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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└─ 2005-12-07 20:59Eric Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
├─ 2005-12-07 21:05Mantrakid Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-08 01:20Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
├─ 2005-12-08 01:39Eric Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
│ └─ 2005-12-08 01:46patrick haenelt [idm] (Seattle) Lowfish and Jeremy Caulfield live at Baltic Room Dec.13
├─ 2005-12-08 02:09Luis-Manuel Garcia Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-08 16:47Papa Lazarou Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-08 17:44Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
2005-12-07 11:20David Sim Re: [idm] A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
├─ 2005-12-07 11:25Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-07 19:17fiznut Re: [idm] A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
2005-12-08 02:21Aaron D Meyers Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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2005-12-08 17:43David Sim Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-09 05:49Joao Vasconcelos Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
2005-12-08 17:53chthonic Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-08 18:09Papa Lazarou Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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└─ 2005-12-08 21:02forrest Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-08 22:30Luis-Manuel Garcia Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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2005-12-09 13:52Lee Stacey Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
└─ 2005-12-09 19:32Chork the Jangler Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
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2005-12-07 01:05dd@thedesigneddisorder.netStarting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven strange. The press con
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Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle Grungers clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we dying? Um....ahem...we think fucking NOT! So we've packaged ourselves in a stylish, marketable bottle of baby food that's anything BUT gerber. Help Support the Experiment! the Designed Disorder's first release, 'Autonomous Addicts', is now available (World-Wide) on CD in Tower, Virgin, Ameoba or your local record store!!! the Full length CD comes with 6 page foldout artwork from T.L. Smith and 12 tracks from our featured artists including a completely new version of Richard Devine's 'Per-Cer' (not sold on our website) as well as a not-so-hidden-hidden track from the acid archives. dD001 Autonomous Addicts, a compilation featuring: L’usine (Ghostly Int'l, Isophlux) Richard Devine (Schematic, Warp, Ghostly Int'l) Twerk (Force Inc., Mille Plateux) Tipper (1/2 of Crunch, Musik Aus Strom, Colony) edIT (Planet Mu) Logreybeam (1/2 of Yasume, City Centre Offices) Deru (Merck, Neo Ouija ) Ben Milstein (Touchin' Bass, e.l.m.) Anon (Echolocation) RD (Touchin' Bass, Colony Productions, e.l.m.) Hologram (Skinny Puppy) dD reviews: "..a comp boasting a robust line up of veteran and neophyte Intellegent dance music talent." -XLR8R Magazine "The talent pool here is impressive and those into progressive electronics & bleeding-edge sound design would be well-advised to score a copy.." - Meanstreat "Autonomous Addicts will revive your faith in unconventional music." -DJmixed.com .."interesting and essential." -brainwashed.com Expect more compilations, EP's and artist albums in 2006! support the experiment- the Designed Disorder dD www.thedesigneddisorder.net www.myspace.com/designeddisorder or Join the Designed Disorder Tribe http://thedesigneddisorder.tribe.net/?_click_path=Application%5Btribe%5D.Tribe%5B05a7f432-6c50-45a2-ab37-07ccdbceda04%5D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-07 01:38nat hawks.. i know it's a lil' premature, but i haven't put a show on in ages, and this is a big la
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.. i know it's a lil' premature, but i haven't put a show on in ages, and this is a big label showcase for my camp and i'd be very happy if any idm-listers came out and said hi! it's a very ecclectic line-up, but if idm is your think, check out the Spinach, Christian Science Minotaur, and Happiness Is Here To Stay links... this is what i sent out to my list. : > http://www.littlefurythings.net ********************************************************************** Oh boy? looks like everyone?s favorite imaginary label, Little Fury Things, is taking a little step out into actuality so put on your 3-D glasses and zip up your unitard cause you?re invited to the? 2005 LITTLE FURY THINGS MEGA-SLAM! *Thursday, December 15th at the Cake Shop! (totally christamas-y!) *Promptly starting at 8pm ! (cause we have to go to work in the morning too!) *Show shouldn?t run too far past midnight! (cause the movie gremlins fucked me up!) *I got Cake Shop to let us drop admission to $5, and they?ll keep all my guitar cables if not enough people come, so help a brother out. Line-up as follows? (1st plays first. Play sound links in order to create a virtual preview of the show!) *With video by Carl Diehl and Mumbleboy! 1. SPINACH Brand spanking new local crooked blip-hop http://www.littlefurythings.net/snd/KegBert.mp3 2. CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MINOTAUR Inventive, spaced-is-the-place melodic niceties. http://www.littlefurythings.net/snd/xsm.mp3 3. HOLZKOPF (CD set) Noise terrorist from Canada http://www.littlefurythings.net/snd/holz2.mp3 4. PADNA Toy samples, guitar swells, solo looping madness! http://www.littlefurythings.net/snd/padna3.mp3 5. VORTEX Swirling improv duo of found sounds and children?s pianos. http://home.earthlink.net/~takeishi 6. THE SPIRIT BATTERY Debut of Carl Diehl and his sister Heidi (from Wooden Wand and the Vanishing Voice). http://www.electronicelsewhere.com/spiritbattery.html 7. HAPPINESS IS HERE TO STAY Happy-go-lucky fun drum machine/guitar duo! http://www.littlefurythings.net/snd/hihts3.mp3 ? and featuring special guests comedic -rap-duo Nilla Wafers! http://nillawafer.com/ I ask you this: what?s not to love?! Support helpless man-children and come on down. The Cake Shop http://www.cake-shop.com/ 152 Ludlow (btw Rivington and Stanton) F to Delancey or 2nd Ave in Manhattan Hugs and punches, LFT Check out our micro-verse? http://www.littlefurythings.net _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-07 05:02Chork the JanglerOn 12/6/05, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net> wrote: > Starting a ne
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On 12/6/05, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net> wrote:
quoted 4 lines Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven> Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle Grungers > clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > dying?
yes. embrace change. idm is a music for an era past. so too is polka and rock music, but people still manage to cash in on those, so i'm not too worried. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-07 08:32dd@thedesigneddisorder.netYeh, I'm holdin' onto my Flanel, just thought we could muster the last bit of fighting bre
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Yeh, I'm holdin' onto my Flanel, just thought we could muster the last bit of fighting breath in us to...keep.....it.......alive....* We'll keep pushing....idm was a lame genre name anyway. Mabye if we call it something else....hmmmmm. Expect some acordian on the next comp....and i'm not kidding;) It's all about the experiment. cheers dD www.thedesigneddisorder.net
quoted 12 lines On 12/6/05, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net> wrote:> On 12/6/05, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net> wrote: >> Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven >> strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle >> Grungers >> clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we >> dying? > > > yes. embrace change. idm is a music for an era past. so too is polka > and rock music, but people still manage to cash in on those, so i'm > not too worried. >
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2005-12-07 08:45Chork the Jangleryou miss my point; idm is dead to most people. that's just as awesome as the IRS thinking
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you miss my point; idm is dead to most people. that's just as awesome as the IRS thinking you are dead. p.s. you do realize you'll be anklebiting doormouse w/the accordianz rite? On 12/7/05, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net> wrote:
quoted 28 lines Yeh, I'm holdin' onto my Flanel, just thought we could muster the last bit> Yeh, I'm holdin' onto my Flanel, just thought we could muster the last bit > of fighting breath in us to...keep.....it.......alive....* > > We'll keep pushing....idm was a lame genre name anyway. Mabye if we call > it something else....hmmmmm. > > Expect some acordian on the next comp....and i'm not kidding;) > It's all about the experiment. > cheers > dD > www.thedesigneddisorder.net > > > > On 12/6/05, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net> wrote: > >> Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > >> strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle > >> Grungers > >> clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > >> dying? > > > > > > yes. embrace change. idm is a music for an era past. so too is polka > > and rock music, but people still manage to cash in on those, so i'm > > not too worried. > > > > >
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2005-12-07 07:48n3wjack2005/12/7, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net>: > Starting a new exper
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2005/12/7, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net>:
quoted 4 lines Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven> Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle Grungers > clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > dying?
yes we are, we all need to switch and listen to breakcore from now on, it's the next big thing, so burn those Aphex records and start buying some chopped up Amens, but don't accidentally buy drum'n'bass records though, cause that has been pronounced dead as well about a dozen times by now... -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-07 07:51Chork the Janglerlollerz. who asked you? On 12/7/05, n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com> wrote: > 2005/12/7, dd@the
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lollerz. who asked you? On 12/7/05, n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 25 lines 2005/12/7, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net>:> 2005/12/7, dd@thedesigneddisorder.net <dd@thedesigneddisorder.net>: > > Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > > strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle Grungers > > clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > > dying? > > yes we are, > we all need to switch and listen to breakcore from now on, it's the > next big thing, > so burn those Aphex records and start buying some chopped up Amens, > but don't accidentally buy drum'n'bass records though, cause that has > been pronounced dead as well about a dozen times by now... > > -- > "progress doesn't come from early risers > progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" > > http://n3wjack.blogspot.com > http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-07 07:15EricSo-called by whom? -e --------------------------------------------------------------------
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2005-12-07 07:18Chork the Janglerthe general public? the media? basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin
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the general public? the media? basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote:
quoted 10 lines So-called by whom?> So-called by whom? > > -e > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-07 07:51EricWild. Got any examples? -e P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. Chork the Jangler wrote: > the ge
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Wild. Got any examples? -e P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. Chork the Jangler wrote:
quoted 25 lines the general public?> the general public? > > the media? > > basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > >>So-called by whom? >> >>-e >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net
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2005-12-07 07:59Chork the Janglerhave you got any examples of bigfoot not existing? the point is, noone cares about idm and
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have you got any examples of bigfoot not existing? the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote:
quoted 38 lines Wild. Got any examples?> Wild. Got any examples? > > -e > > P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > > Chork the Jangler wrote: > > the general public? > > > > the media? > > > > basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > > > >>So-called by whom? > >> > >>-e > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-07 11:56nat hawksnot that i want, in anyway to feed the negative spaghetti monster, but... i got turned ont
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not that i want, in anyway to feed the negative spaghetti monster, but... i got turned onto Modeselektor by the list recently, downloaded a bunch of the 'promo' files, wanted a real copy... Kims, OtherMusic, and Etherea don't have it... OM ran out a month ago and didn't seem to have an intention of reordering... ?!?!?!?!!?!?!? that's a pretty amazing sounding release, and yeah, doesn't even seem to get the time of day... what gives?
quoted 61 lines From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com>>From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> >To: Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> >CC: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre' >Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:59:37 -0500 > >have you got any examples of bigfoot not existing? > >the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of >mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > >On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > > Wild. Got any examples? > > > > -e > > > > P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > > > > Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > the general public? > > > > > > the media? > > > > > > basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > > > > > >>So-called by whom? > > >> > > >>-e > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > pete lastname > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >-- >pete lastname >meatsock@gmail.com >www.grep-fu.net > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2005-12-07 12:09Chork the Janglerwtf is a spaghetti monster? the answer to what gives is there is zero corellation between
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wtf is a spaghetti monster? the answer to what gives is there is zero corellation between the awesomeness of a release, and it's availibility -- to wit, any dumbass can go to grep-fu.net! On 12/7/05, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 76 lines not that i want, in anyway to feed the negative spaghetti monster, but...> not that i want, in anyway to feed the negative spaghetti monster, but... > > i got turned onto Modeselektor by the list recently, downloaded a bunch of > the 'promo' files, wanted a real copy... Kims, OtherMusic, and Etherea don't > have it... OM ran out a month ago and didn't seem to have an intention of > reordering... ?!?!?!?!!?!?!? that's a pretty amazing sounding release, and > yeah, doesn't even seem to get the time of day... what gives? > > > >From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> > >To: Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> > >CC: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre' > >Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:59:37 -0500 > > > >have you got any examples of bigfoot not existing? > > > >the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > >mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > > >On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > > > Wild. Got any examples? > > > > > > -e > > > > > > P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > > > > > > Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > > the general public? > > > > > > > > the media? > > > > > > > > basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > > > > > > > >>So-called by whom? > > > >> > > > >>-e > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > pete lastname > > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >pete lastname > >meatsock@gmail.com > >www.grep-fu.net > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee(r) > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > >
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2005-12-07 18:47dd@thedesigneddisorder.netWell, the true point of the orginal post was lost (my fault:) and is below. We'll just cal
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Well, the true point of the orginal post was lost (my fault:) and is below. We'll just call it 'experimental electronic music'. And we hope to release much more. We hope you will all enjoy:) The Designed Disorder's first release, 'Autonomous Addicts', is now available (World-Wide) on CD in Tower, Virgin, Ameoba or your local record store:) The Full length CD comes with 6 page foldout artwork from T.L. Smith and 12 tracks from our featured artists including a completely new version of Richard Devine's 'Per-Cer' not sold on our website! dD001 Autonomous Addicts, a new compilation featuring: L’usine Richard Devine Twerk Tipper edIT Deru Ben Milstein Anon RD Hologram Logreybeam support the experiment- the Designed Disorder dD www.thedesigneddisorder.net www.myspace.com/designeddisorder Take care!
quoted 75 lines From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com>>> >From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> >> >To: Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> >> >CC: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >> >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre' >> >Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:59:37 -0500 >> > >> >have you got any examples of bigfoot not existing? >> > >> >the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of >> >mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA >> > >> >On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >> > > Wild. Got any examples? >> > > >> > > -e >> > > >> > > P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. >> > > >> > > Chork the Jangler wrote: >> > > > the general public? >> > > > >> > > > the media? >> > > > >> > > > basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? >> > > > >> > > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >>So-called by whom? >> > > >> >> > > >>-e >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > pete lastname >> > > > meatsock@gmail.com >> > > > www.grep-fu.net >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >pete lastname >> >meatsock@gmail.com >> >www.grep-fu.net >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from >> McAfee(r) >> Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >> > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net >
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2005-12-07 20:59EricChork the Jangler wrote: > the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lac
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quoted 2 lines the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of> the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA
Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? -e
quoted 50 lines On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote:> > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > >>Wild. Got any examples? >> >>-e >> >>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. >> >>Chork the Jangler wrote: >> >>>the general public? >>> >>>the media? >>> >>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? >>> >>>On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>So-called by whom? >>>> >>>>-e >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>pete lastname >>>meatsock@gmail.com >>>www.grep-fu.net >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net
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2005-12-07 21:05Mantrakidl337ly pwned. Eric wrote: > Chork the Jangler wrote: > >> the point is, noone cares about
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l337ly pwned. Eric wrote:
quoted 78 lines Chork the Jangler wrote:> Chork the Jangler wrote: > >> the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of >> mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > > Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about > doesn't like Venetian Snares doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, > you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value and vitality. > The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for > ours!" which doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. > > So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh > shit, I think I may have just figured it out: you *make* music, don't > you? > > -e > > > > >> >> On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >> >>> Wild. Got any examples? >>> >>> -e >>> >>> P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. >>> >>> Chork the Jangler wrote: >>> >>>> the general public? >>>> >>>> the media? >>>> >>>> basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? >>>> >>>> On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> So-called by whom? >>>>> >>>>> -e >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> pete lastname >>>> meatsock@gmail.com >>>> www.grep-fu.net >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> pete lastname >> meatsock@gmail.com >> www.grep-fu.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2005-12-08 01:20Chork the Jangleryou seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an abstract pointer to an idea
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you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? oh i get it! you *promote* music! On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote:
quoted 73 lines Chork the Jangler wrote:> Chork the Jangler wrote: > > the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > > mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares > doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value > and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which > doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. > > So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just > figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? > > -e > > > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > > > >>Wild. Got any examples? > >> > >>-e > >> > >>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > >> > >>Chork the Jangler wrote: > >> > >>>the general public? > >>> > >>>the media? > >>> > >>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > >>> > >>>On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>So-called by whom? > >>>> > >>>>-e > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>pete lastname > >>>meatsock@gmail.com > >>>www.grep-fu.net > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-08 01:39EricOh yes, "I must be mistaken". oh rah-thurr my old chap, do pardon my indelicate assumption
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Oh yes, "I must be mistaken". oh rah-thurr my old chap, do pardon my indelicate assumptions as to your unorthodox fox-hunting techniques. give my best to Wilson that cheeky rapscallion won't you? "abstract pointer to an idea that never existed" ...OH SNAP! -e Chork the Jangler wrote:
quoted 93 lines you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an> you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? > > you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? > > oh i get it! you *promote* music! > > On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: > >>Chork the Jangler wrote: >> >>>the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of >>>mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA >> >>Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares >>doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value >>and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which >>doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. >> >>So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just >>figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? >> >>-e >> >> >> >> >> >>>On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Wild. Got any examples? >>>> >>>>-e >>>> >>>>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. >>>> >>>>Chork the Jangler wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>the general public? >>>>> >>>>>the media? >>>>> >>>>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? >>>>> >>>>>On 12/7/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>So-called by whom? >>>>>> >>>>>>-e >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>pete lastname >>>>>meatsock@gmail.com >>>>>www.grep-fu.net >>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>pete lastname >>>meatsock@gmail.com >>>www.grep-fu.net >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net
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2005-12-08 01:46patrick haenelt...just a little reminder... I am starting to get excited about this one... Seattle is in
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...just a little reminder... I am starting to get excited about this one... Seattle is in for a really nice treat! cheers......................... SENSORY EFFECT presents OSCILLATE-- Tuesdays at The Baltic Room--1207 pine st. Seattle WA w/ residents Greg Skidmore and Electrosect live visuals by SHANNON PALMER 9pm $8 21+ Tuesday Dec.13 we are very happy to welcome LOWFISH (suction records, ersatz audio, ghostly intl.,satamile-TORONTO)-live!!! JEREMY P. CAULFIELD (dumb unit records-TORONTO) MIKE SHANNON (dumb unit records-MONTREAL) SATAMILE (satamile records-TORONTO,SF)--DJ set!!! ..here's a little about the performers: LOWFISH Lowfish is the work of Toronto producer Gregory De Rocher, who runs Suction Records with his longtime friend Jason Amm of Solvent. The pair share an appreciation for New Wave and early industrial artists like Skinny Puppy and Front 242, as well as a studio where distorted 808 drum beats and bouncy, melodic analog synth lines are the sounds of choice. De Rocher has been producing for over ten years and it shows in his music. His work is fresh and distinct, with just enough graininess and noise to offset the lushness of the synthesizer melodies and grooves. On Eliminator, his self-proclaimed brand of "robot music" flows naturally as he takes simple ideas and evolves them in his digital petri dish. It's De Rocher's obsession with sound quality and delivery that sets his music apart from other electronic producers. His tracks exude a maturity in craftmanship, a pure focus, with rhythms and delicate textures that never become indulgent or overstated. De Rocher was born in Toronto in 1972. Early in life, he was plagued with hearing problems and frequently found himself confined in soundproof hospital laboratories. Once cured, De Rocher became fascinated by music, especially his mom's disco eight-track of Giorgio Moroder's robo-electric "I Feel Love." His infatuation grew as he began to feverishly collect anything and everything that sounded robotic and modular. By age 16 he was already producing tracks in his home studio. De Rocher cites '70s acts Roedelius and Tangerine Dream, as well as '80s electro-pop legends OMD, New Order, and Art Of Noise as his biggest influences, along with some of the more crunchy techno found on Warp and Rephlex. Along with numerous international compilation and remix appearances, Lowfish has released two full-lengths on Suction: Fear Not the Snow and Other Lo-fiing Objects (1999) and Eliminator (2000). Recently, Suction also put out Snow Robots Volume 1 and 2, a retrospective compilation of works by both Lowfish and Solvent, featuring several out-of-print releases from 1997, plus some new tracks by the pair. There is even a Lowfish remix by Germany's Lali Puna. "Subversive Rats" appeared on Snow Robots Volume 1 while "FatBlex" and "Glued Smile" came from the Eliminator full-length. Meanwhile, "No Longer Accepting Complaints," featuring a dizzingly dirty and hedonistic synthesized bass line, was Lowfish's contribution to Ghostly International's essential robo-electro comp, Tangent 2002: Disco Nouveau, a compendium of contemporary electronic artists doing exciting reinterpretations of the classic Giorgio Moroder-inspired austere disco sound. Later that same year, Lowfish recorded the four-song Accident Causer EP for Adult.'s Ersatz Audio label, then returned with another coldly funky collection of chirpy analog stabs, entitled Maintain the Tension. Lowfish is nothing if not a master of textures, and his mad layers of arpeggiated synths over tinny drum machines sometimes suggest the experimental computer music of yesteryear. Despite his obsessive-compulsive fixation on cleanliness and complexity, De Rocher retains a groovy dance floor energy, making Lowfish a brand of intelligent machine music sure to stimulate all parts of your cerebral cortex. JEREMY P. CAULFIELD Is the owner and operator of the Tornto Based label DUMB UNIT. Over the last 2 years Jeremy has quietly infiltrated the ranks of the minimal and techno scenes by creating a rough, edgy and immediately recognizable sound. This modern, aggressive music with a keen sense of energy for the dance-floor has been featured on such labels as WMF and Trapez. Now he returns home to Dumb-Unit. Side a: deft baggage a haunting and driving track that begins as a dark and brittle mash up. Pitched up digital noise scratches away at the deft and tricky bass line. Then, in typical Canadian style the tracks opens up, and space becomes as important as sound. Quickly we enter into a deep and hypnotic foray into the new confident, Techno sound. Classic techno and minimal structures are adhered to, but the finished product is a polished modern track with Jeremy's tight drums and syncopated buzzes playing ping pong with the slow worbling pads. Side b: 'Slumberjack' already creating havoc on the circuit; 'Slumberjack' is just that: the monsters under the bed, the man behind the door. Pacing, patient and indifferent Slumberjack's apathy quickly transforms into a cold and calculated track. Each pad creeping up to the next, each drum and hi-hat snapping the other into place. Everything slowly creating the groove, no outrageous edits, no filtered vocals just a tight weave of dry clicking Techno, bass heavy tech-house and rocking sawwave minimal MIKE SHANNON Mike Shannon begun his techno career in the Toronto area as a DJ before eventually moving to Montreal, where he flourished as a producer during the early 2000s. Shannon grew up in Kitchener, Ontario, and began DJing at age 12 when his father bought him his first mixer. Occasional excursions to nearby Detroit, where he would buy records and attend parties, spurned his interest in techno as a teenager. Shannon became a professional techno DJ around 1993 or so and began promoting events as well as performing at them. Toward the late '90s he broadened his reach from Kitchener to Toronto, where he landed a Friday-night residency at the fabled Industry club in 1999 and launched Cynosure Recordings that same year. He re-located to Montreal soon afterward to join the city's burgeoning glitch-techno scene fostered by the annual Mutek festival. There he befriended Jeff Milligan (Algorithm), with whom he toured Europe in 2000, and continued his transition from DJ to producer. His efforts were rewarded in 2002 when Force Inc released his debut album, Slight of Hand, and included him on the Montreal Smoked Meat compilation. SATAMILE ...sorry not much bio info available but here is a link to his label that he runs.... http://www.satamile.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
2005-12-08 02:09Luis-Manuel GarciaOn Dec 7, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Chork the Jangler wrote: > an > abstract pointer to an idea th
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Chork the Jangler wrote:
quoted 3 lines an> an > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? >
ANSI C + Derridean différance = Schadenfreude Seriously, tho, considering the anti-intellectualist stance of Chork's other remarks, does this rhetorical move become "anti- intellectualist intellectualism"? distractedly bemused, LMG --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-08 16:47Papa Lazarouhalf the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. Why not just pl
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half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself to one 'style'. enjoy. Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? oh i get it! you *promote* music! On 12/7/05, Eric wrote:
quoted 73 lines Chork the Jangler wrote:> Chork the Jangler wrote: > > the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > > mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares > doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value > and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which > doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. > > So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just > figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? > > -e > > > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > >>Wild. Got any examples? > >> > >>-e > >> > >>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > >> > >>Chork the Jangler wrote: > >> > >>>the general public? > >>> > >>>the media? > >>> > >>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > >>> > >>>On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>So-called by whom? > >>>> > >>>>-e > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>pete lastname > >>>meatsock@gmail.com > >>>www.grep-fu.net > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-08 17:44Chork the Janglereverything is post rave in a world without any more raves, dude ='( r.i.p. p.l.u.r. On 12/
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everything is post rave in a world without any more raves, dude ='( r.i.p. p.l.u.r. On 12/8/05, Papa Lazarou <circuit_bender@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 104 lines half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. Why not just pl> half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself to one 'style'. > enjoy. > > Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? > > you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? > > oh i get it! you *promote* music! > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > > > mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > > > Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares > > doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value > > and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which > > doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. > > > > So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just > > figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? > > > > -e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > > > >>Wild. Got any examples? > > >> > > >>-e > > >> > > >>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > > >> > > >>Chork the Jangler wrote: > > >> > > >>>the general public? > > >>> > > >>>the media? > > >>> > > >>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > >>> > > >>>On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>So-called by whom? > > >>>> > > >>>>-e > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>pete lastname > > >>>meatsock@gmail.com > > >>>www.grep-fu.net > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > pete lastname > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping >
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2005-12-07 11:20David Sim> Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > strange. The press
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quoted 4 lines Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven> Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle Grungers > clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > dying?
tbh, if cheap knockoffs of Plaid or Ae are dying (figuratively), then I'm all for it. OTOH, people trying to make new and unusual and not-purely-for-the-dancefloor music using electronics seems unlikely to stop (or to stop being interesting), and that was always the definition of IDM that I preferred. It's like saying that jazz was a 'dying genre' when swing gave way to bebop. The only thing that's dying is music that's stagnating. If you want to define IDM to be only the stagnant part of the music, then of course it'll die. If you define it to be the 'infinite possibilities' part of the music, then it's in fine fettle. d. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-07 11:25Chork the Janglerwhat percentage of the people who use the term IDM in the mass media that most people are
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what percentage of the people who use the term IDM in the mass media that most people are exposed to do you think hold the latter opinion? i would venture to guess the minority ergo, what most people think idm is, is dying. good riddance. On 12/7/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
quoted 25 lines Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven> > Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > > strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle Grungers > > clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > > dying? > > tbh, if cheap knockoffs of Plaid or Ae are dying (figuratively), then I'm all for it. > > OTOH, people trying to make new and unusual and not-purely-for-the-dancefloor music using electronics seems unlikely to stop (or to stop being interesting), and that was always the definition of IDM that I preferred. > > It's like saying that jazz was a 'dying genre' when swing gave way to bebop. The only thing that's dying is music that's stagnating. If you want to define IDM to be only the stagnant part of the music, then of course it'll die. If you define it to be the 'infinite possibilities' part of the music, then it's in fine fettle. > > d. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-07 19:17fiznutThis man is brilliant. On 12/7/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Startin
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This man is brilliant. On 12/7/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
quoted 37 lines Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven> > > Starting a new experimental label in our current climate has proven > > strange. The press continually make us feel like die-hard Seattle > Grungers > > clinging desparately to our flanel shirts....is this for real? Are we > > dying? > > tbh, if cheap knockoffs of Plaid or Ae are dying (figuratively), then I'm > all for it. > > OTOH, people trying to make new and unusual and > not-purely-for-the-dancefloor music using electronics seems unlikely to stop > (or to stop being interesting), and that was always the definition of IDM > that I preferred. > > It's like saying that jazz was a 'dying genre' when swing gave way to > bebop. The only thing that's dying is music that's stagnating. If you want > to define IDM to be only the stagnant part of the music, then of course > it'll die. If you define it to be the 'infinite possibilities' part of the > music, then it's in fine fettle. > > d. > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer > system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
2005-12-08 02:21Aaron D MeyersLadies and Gentlemen, Please do not feed the Meatsock! Thanks, The Management ----- Origin
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Ladies and Gentlemen, Please do not feed the Meatsock! Thanks, The Management ----- Original Message ----- From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2005 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
quoted 7 lines you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an> you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? > > you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? > > oh i get it! you *promote* music! >
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2005-12-08 08:16n3wjack2005/12/8, Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu>: > > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > Please do not fe
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2005/12/8, Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu>:
quoted 7 lines Ladies and Gentlemen,> > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > Please do not feed the Meatsock! > > Thanks, > The Management
booooooh! partypooper!! ;) -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station
2005-12-08 16:44Obed VentoMeatsock Changing the world One IDM related forum at a time -----Original Message----- Fro
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Meatsock Changing the world One IDM related forum at a time -----Original Message----- From: Aaron D Meyers [mailto:adm226@nyu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:21 PM To: idm list Subject: Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre' Ladies and Gentlemen, Please do not feed the Meatsock! Thanks, The Management ----- Original Message ----- From: Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2005 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [idm] Re: A boost to our so called 'Dying Genre'
quoted 7 lines you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an> you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? > > you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? > > oh i get it! you *promote* music! >
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2005-12-08 17:43David Sim> half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. > Why not jus
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quoted 3 lines half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres.> half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. > Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself > to one 'style'. enjoy.
Well, 'style' is what makes it possible for a DJ to play your music in a mix and people to dance to it, so it is kind of important in the dance world. Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion that the point when drum and bass got less interesting was when producers started coming up who'd been raised on dnb and dnb only, and as a result brought no external influences and variety to the table and just refined what was there already, whereas the early sound was a motley assortment of ravers, b-boys, dancehall types, indie-converts and so on, and they all pulled the sound in different directions, resulting in a far less predictable scene. A similar thing might well be suggested about IDM... David This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-09 05:49Joao VasconcelosVery Interesting Point, inbreeding has proven to be BAD in many areas of art and science.
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Very Interesting Point, inbreeding has proven to be BAD in many areas of art and science. Well, the exception that confirms this rule may be found in the development of potent cannabis strains. On 12/8/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion that
quoted 3 lines the point when drum and bass got less interesting was when producers started> the point when drum and bass got less interesting was when producers started > coming up who'd been raised on dnb and dnb only, and as a result brought no > external influences and variety to the table
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "David Sim" <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:43:40 +0000
quoted 5 lines half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres.>> half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. >> Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself >> to one 'style'. enjoy. > >Well, 'style' is what makes it possible for a DJ to play your music in a mix and people to
dance to it, so it is kind of important in the dance world. i suppose, if you want to cater to a certain "sound". not all DJs work this way, and some like shifting styles within a set, keeping only the tempo pretty much constant. there are a myriad of possibilities.
quoted 1 line Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion that the point>Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion that the point
when drum and bass got less interesting was when producers started coming up who'd been raised on dnb and dnb only, and as a result brought no external influences and variety to the table and just refined what was there already, whereas the early sound was a motley assortment of ravers, b-boys, dancehall types, indie-converts and so on, and they all pulled the sound in different directions, resulting in a far less predictable scene.
quoted 2 lines A similar thing might well be suggested about IDM...> >A similar thing might well be suggested about IDM...
true of every scene/genre. once it's been defined and documented, a lot of new artists come up creating only out of that one, now-homogenized influence. they may come up with some good music, distilling the best of the genre into a cohesive effort, but if they don't look outside their original inspiration, they may not develop a unique vision. instead they retread a xopy of a copy ad nauseam. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-08 18:09Papa LazarouI actually prefer it when a DJ mixes it up, but I'd much rather see the producers doing it
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I actually prefer it when a DJ mixes it up, but I'd much rather see the producers doing it with their own music, especially these days. How long have we had DJ culture now? chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "David Sim" Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:43:40 +0000
quoted 5 lines half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres.>> half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. >> Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself >> to one 'style'. enjoy. > >Well, 'style' is what makes it possible for a DJ to play your music in a mix and people to
dance to it, so it is kind of important in the dance world. i suppose, if you want to cater to a certain "sound". not all DJs work this way, and some like shifting styles within a set, keeping only the tempo pretty much constant. there are a myriad of possibilities. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
2005-12-08 18:14MantrakidThat sounds like a job for NATE HARRISON!!!! ba-badap-baaaaa!!!!! BY THE POWER OF GREYSKUL
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That sounds like a job for NATE HARRISON!!!! ba-badap-baaaaa!!!!! BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL, I AM NATTEEEE HARRISOONNNN!!!!!!! Papa Lazarou wrote:
quoted 34 lines I actually prefer it when a DJ mixes it up, but I'd much rather see the producers doi>I actually prefer it when a DJ mixes it up, but I'd much rather see the producers doing it with their own music, especially these days. How long have we had DJ culture now? > > > >chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "David Sim" > >Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:43:40 +0000 > > > >>>half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. >>>Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself >>>to one 'style'. enjoy. >>> >>> >>Well, 'style' is what makes it possible for a DJ to play your music in a mix and people to >> >> >dance to it, so it is kind of important in the dance world. > >i suppose, if you want to cater to a certain "sound". not all DJs work this way, and some like >shifting styles within a set, keeping only the tempo pretty much constant. there are a myriad >of possibilities. > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > >
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2005-12-08 21:02forrestSHIT!!! MY MP3 PLAYER IS DYING, SO IS MY ART SOUL MY MUSIC IS ROTTEN BUT I'm MAKING IT ANY
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SHIT!!! MY MP3 PLAYER IS DYING, SO IS MY ART SOUL MY MUSIC IS ROTTEN BUT I'm MAKING IT ANYHOW? WHAT A CRUEL JOKE NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC NOW, I'M A ZOMBIE PLAYING MUSIC ABOUT GHOSTS FOR THE REST OF THE UNDEAD HORDES.. WHEN I PLAY A SHOW NEXT MONTH, I BETTER WEAR GARLIC On 12/8/05, Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:
quoted 47 lines That sounds like a job for NATE HARRISON!!!!> That sounds like a job for NATE HARRISON!!!! > ba-badap-baaaaa!!!!! > > BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL, I AM NATTEEEE HARRISOONNNN!!!!!!! > > Papa Lazarou wrote: > > >I actually prefer it when a DJ mixes it up, but I'd much rather see the producers doing it with their own music, especially these days. How long have we had DJ culture now? > > > > > > > >chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >From: "David Sim" > > > >Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:43:40 +0000 > > > > > > > >>>half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. > >>>Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself > >>>to one 'style'. enjoy. > >>> > >>> > >>Well, 'style' is what makes it possible for a DJ to play your music in a mix and people to > >> > >> > >dance to it, so it is kind of important in the dance world. > > > >i suppose, if you want to cater to a certain "sound". not all DJs work this way, and some like > >shifting styles within a set, keeping only the tempo pretty much constant. there are a myriad > >of possibilities. > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Yahoo! Shopping > > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-12-08 22:30Luis-Manuel GarciaCould somebody please set this to music? Or to whatever thing you do that is too avant-gar
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Could somebody please set this to music? Or to whatever thing you do that is too avant-garde to be as unoriginal as music? That would be awesome. awesome, LMG On Dec 8, 2005, at 3:02 PM, forrest wrote:
quoted 9 lines SHIT!!! MY MP3 PLAYER IS DYING,> SHIT!!! MY MP3 PLAYER IS DYING, > > SO IS MY ART SOUL > MY MUSIC IS ROTTEN > BUT I'm MAKING IT ANYHOW? WHAT A CRUEL JOKE > > NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC NOW, > I'M A ZOMBIE PLAYING MUSIC ABOUT GHOSTS FOR THE REST OF THE UNDEAD > HORDES.. WHEN I PLAY A SHOW NEXT MONTH, I BETTER WEAR GARLIC
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2005-12-08 18:01cutups>Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion >that the point w
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quoted 8 lines Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion>Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion >that the point when drum and bass got less interesting was when producers >started coming up who'd been raised on dnb and dnb only, and as a result >brought no external influences and variety to the table and just refined >what was there already, whereas the early sound was a motley assortment of >ravers, b-boys, dancehall types, indie-converts and so on, and they all >pulled the sound in different directions, resulting in a far less >predictable scene.
I've heard people say this kind of thing a bunch, but I don't buy it. I know plenty of people who listen to ALL different kinds of music, but still produce relatively uninteresting music. The path that D&B has taken I think is more just a matter of a genre playing out the way that genres typically do...initial sparks, some development and branching out, forming pretty solid boundaries, then stagnating because there's by definition nowhere else to go. If you have a truly creative Take on D&B these days, its not going to be labeled as such. I'd agree that D&B stopped being truly exciting several years ago (although I do still enjoy it regularly). But if you think about the things that grew out of D&B, but exceeded its self-defined boundaries, it's influence has Echo'd on into newer exciting forms, be it broken beat, garage, grime, breakcore, etc.... Of course, it's always kind of bullshit when you talk about music like It's some sort of singular entity, so what do I know? - cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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quoted 14 lines Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion> >>Someone on Dogs On Acid (of all places) made the interesting suggestion >>that the point when drum and bass got less interesting was when producers >>started coming up who'd been raised on dnb and dnb only, and as a result >>brought no external influences and variety to the table and just refined >>what was there already, whereas the early sound was a motley assortment of >>ravers, b-boys, dancehall types, indie-converts and so on, and they all >>pulled the sound in different directions, resulting in a far less >>predictable scene. > >I've heard people say this kind of thing a bunch, but I don't buy it. > >I know plenty of people who listen to ALL different kinds of music, but >still produce relatively uninteresting music.
absolutely true. just as having too narrow a taste (or creative bent) can be bad, so can not being discriminating enough. many people who don't care for genres proudly proclaim "i like everything" (often with one disclaimer for rap, country, or opera); these people often mean "i have no discerning taste".
quoted 5 lines The path that D&B has taken I think is more just a matter of a genre playing>The path that D&B has taken I think is more just a matter of a genre playing >out the way that genres typically do...initial sparks, some development and >branching out, forming pretty solid boundaries, then stagnating because >there's by definition nowhere else to go. If you have a truly creative >Take on D&B these days, its not going to be labeled as such.
true. some genres are so underground, so insular in sound or culture, that for them to "break out" of any of their self-imposed restraints means that they have crossed those boundaries into something else. if you start with nothing but clicks and cuts, but then add 4-on-the-floor i guess you are moving into minimal techno. add some more synths on top of that and it's no longer minimal, add a guitar and you're doing indietronica. it's both exciting and silly at the same time.
quoted 5 lines I'd agree that D&B stopped being truly exciting several years ago (although>I'd agree that D&B stopped being truly exciting several years ago (although >I do still enjoy it regularly). But if you think about the things that grew >out of D&B, but exceeded its self-defined boundaries, it's influence has >Echo'd on into newer exciting forms, be it broken beat, garage, grime, >breakcore, etc....
i definitely appreciate d&b's influence more than the thing itself, at least what i understand it to be. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-12-09 13:52Lee StaceyNothing is post rave here in the UK. The rave scene is still alive and kicking. Pilchard <
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Nothing is post rave here in the UK. The rave scene is still alive and kicking. Pilchard <>< http://pilchard.org/ <>< On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:44:26 -0500 Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 120 lines everything is post rave in a world without any more raves, dude ='(> everything is post rave in a world without any more raves, dude ='( > > r.i.p. p.l.u.r. > > On 12/8/05, Papa Lazarou <circuit_bender@yahoo.com> wrote: > > half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself to one 'style'. > > enjoy. > > > > Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an > > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? > > > > you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? > > > > oh i get it! you *promote* music! > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > > the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > > > > mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > > > > > Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares > > > doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value > > > and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which > > > doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. > > > > > > So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just > > > figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? > > > > > > -e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > > > > > >>Wild. Got any examples? > > > >> > > > >>-e > > > >> > > > >>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > > > >> > > > >>Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > >> > > > >>>the general public? > > > >>> > > > >>>the media? > > > >>> > > > >>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > > >>> > > > >>>On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>So-called by whom? > > > >>>> > > > >>>>-e > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>-- > > > >>>pete lastname > > > >>>meatsock@gmail.com > > > >>>www.grep-fu.net > > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > pete lastname > > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Shopping > > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > > > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2005-12-09 19:32Chork the Janglerso go rave about it why dont you =) On 12/9/05, Lee Stacey <lee@codeaudio.com> wrote: > No
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so go rave about it why dont you =) On 12/9/05, Lee Stacey <lee@codeaudio.com> wrote:
quoted 135 lines Nothing is post rave here in the UK. The rave scene is still alive and kicking.> Nothing is post rave here in the UK. The rave scene is still alive and kicking. > > Pilchard > > <>< http://pilchard.org/ <>< > > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:44:26 -0500 > Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > everything is post rave in a world without any more raves, dude ='( > > > > r.i.p. p.l.u.r. > > > > On 12/8/05, Papa Lazarou <circuit_bender@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > half the problem with electronic these days, are all the post rave genres. Why not just play some music, and ignore the limitations of branding yourself to one 'style'. > > > enjoy. > > > > > > Chork the Jangler <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > you seem to be mistaken in that i ever bemoaned the lack of an > > > abstract pointer to an idea that never existed in the first place ? > > > > > > you seem to have assumed i think mainstream interest is a good thing? > > > > > > oh i get it! you *promote* music! > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > > Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > > > the point is, noone cares about idm and the evidence is the lack of > > > > > mainstream interest in any of it aside from MIA > > > > > > > > Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo. Just because the sorority girl you fantasize about doesn't like Venetian Snares > > > > doesn't mean "the genre is dying." Fine, you think mainstream interest is the benchmark for value > > > > and vitality. The original poster was basically saying "this music sucks, except for ours!" which > > > > doesn't spark my interest, if you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > So far, "so-called" means "chork (the 5 year RTVF student?) says." Oh shit, I think I may have just > > > > figured it out: you *make* music, don't you? > > > > > > > > -e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>Wild. Got any examples? > > > > >> > > > > >>-e > > > > >> > > > > >>P.S. Pitchfork doesn't count. > > > > >> > > > > >>Chork the Jangler wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>>the general public? > > > > >>> > > > > >>>the media? > > > > >>> > > > > >>>basically anyone that dosen't have a hard-on for aphex twin? > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On 12/7/05, Eric wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>So-called by whom? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>-e > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>-- > > > > >>>pete lastname > > > > >>>meatsock@gmail.com > > > > >>>www.grep-fu.net > > > > >> > > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > pete lastname > > > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > pete lastname > > > meatsock@gmail.com > > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Shopping > > > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > > > > > > > > > -- > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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