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Normally I won't take these things to public, but solving the issue with the label didn't succeed I'm 100% sure The Black Dog samples a track of the artist CiM, a track from Delsin's Service Pack release. (released 1999) On it's own not a not-to-overcome-problem, but.. quote from the artist, Ken Downie aka The Black Dog "No samples were used. From anybody." Dust Label owner Martin: "I've no reason to doubt Ken at all." =============================== Compare and contrast... A: 'new' Black Dog on Dust Science http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF189035-01-01-01.mp3 B: CiM - Shift - Service Pack/Do Not Multiply Models http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF137860-01-01-04.mp3 Well, if you still need any help.... What makes it most obvious is that the bassline is the same and that it *starts at the same time as the high string sounds*. Listen to the Black Dog Juno MP3 sample at 23 secs in to hear this, and compare this with the Shift track at 3 sec. you just can't do three sounds exactly the same a low string, a high string and bass sound all with the same reverb! all in the same time schedule ========================== or to make it more easy: http://nomorewords.net/shift.mp3 http://nomorewords.net/blackdogtrack.mp3 "No samples were used. From anybody." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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I see your point. And, yes, the similarity is definitely there. As for "catching" the infringement... It is so insignificant that CiM would never find a lack of revenue. Maybe this comparison on a few thousand blogs will generate some publicity, but even this is doubtful. Good ear, Marsel! --- marsel@nomorewords.net wrote:

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> > Normally I won't take these things to public, > but solving the issue with the label didn't succeed > > I'm 100% sure The Black Dog samples a track of the > artist CiM, > a track from Delsin's Service Pack release. > (released 1999) > > On it's own not a not-to-overcome-problem, but.. > > quote from the artist, Ken Downie aka The Black Dog > "No samples were used. From anybody." > > Dust Label owner Martin: > "I've no reason to doubt Ken at all." > > =============================== > > Compare and contrast... > > A: 'new' Black Dog on Dust Science > http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF189035-01-01-01.mp3 > > B: CiM - Shift - Service Pack/Do Not Multiply > Models > http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF137860-01-01-04.mp3 > > Well, if you still need any help.... > > What makes it most obvious is that the bassline is > the same and that > it *starts at the same time as the high string > sounds*. > > Listen to the Black Dog Juno MP3 sample at 23 secs > in to hear this, > and compare this with the Shift track at 3 sec. > > you just can't do three sounds exactly the same > a low string, a high string and bass sound > all with the same reverb! > all in the same time schedule > > ========================== > > or to make it more easy: > http://nomorewords.net/shift.mp3 > http://nomorewords.net/blackdogtrack.mp3 > > "No samples were used. From anybody." > >

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Well, that Black Dog guy is supposed to be a wanker. that's why the Plaid dudes couldn't work with him anymore, right? As for CiM - as far as I'm concerned, he's one of IDM's unsung heroes. Up there with Rei Harakami as someone who's made a fantastic contribution to the genre, but hasn't seen enough recognition for it. Let's hope he doesn't get discouraged by this and we see another album by him soon. Adrien75 www.adrien75.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 10 lines Well, that Black Dog guy is supposed to be a wanker. that's why the

> Well, that Black Dog guy is supposed to be a wanker. that's why the > Plaid dudes couldn't work with him anymore, right? > As for CiM - as far as I'm concerned, he's one of IDM's unsung > heroes. Up there with Rei Harakami as someone who's made a fantastic > contribution to the genre, but hasn't seen enough recognition for it. > Let's hope he doesn't get discouraged by this and we see another > album by him soon. > > >

Um.....there are at least 3 sides to every story and Ken has one as well. I wouldn't consider myself qualified to pass judgment on his character because of some gossip about why The Black Dog fell apart. I've always found Mr. Downie to be a stand-up guy in my limited exchanges with him. Simon Walley retired from music making some time ago - I think it was to pursue his education. I wouldn't hold by breath for a new record unless his plans have changed. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org