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bollocks. On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:

quoted 7 lines

> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of-music > > -- > > --- > http://twitter.com/esaruoho > http://lackluster.bandcamp.com

-- Sham Beam

bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 22 lines bollocks.

> bollocks. > > > > On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > >> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has- >> done-to-your-love-of-music >> >> -- >> >> --- >> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >> > > > -- > Sham Beam > > >

-- _____________________________________________ Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K _____________________________________________ noise I make: http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin noise I like: http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly sites I run: http://www.ctran.co.uk http://o-fu-online.net -------------------------------

ah, i didn't get time to read the full thing. i thought he was making a point about everything being compressed to hell these days. on closer inspection yes, it's bollocks :) On 8 December 2014 at 09:40, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 56 lines Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the

> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the > comments... > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Vogel > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >> >> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bollocks. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>> >>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has- >>>> done-to-your-love-of-music >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sham Beam >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> > >

-- _____________________________________________ Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K _____________________________________________ noise I make: http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin noise I like: http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly sites I run: http://www.ctran.co.uk http://o-fu-online.net -------------------------------

Wait, you're reading the comments? On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 56 lines Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the

> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the > comments... > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Vogel > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: > >> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >> >> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bollocks. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>> >>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has- >>>> done-to-your-love-of-music >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sham Beam >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >> > >

While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts and got a lot of facts wrong, I won¹t argue that highly compressed music is exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio commercial for a monster truck show. From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to your love of music" Wait, you're reading the comments? On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 52 lines Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the

> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the > comments... > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Vogel > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >> >> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>> bollocks. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of-m >>>> usic >>>> <http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of- >>>> music> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sham Beam >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >

I WOULD argue, not won¹t. From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to your love of music" While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts and got a lot of facts wrong, I won¹t argue that highly compressed music is exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio commercial for a monster truck show. From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to your love of music" Wait, you're reading the comments? On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 52 lines Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the

> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the > comments... > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Vogel > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >> >> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>> bollocks. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of-m >>>> usic >>>> <http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of- >>>> music> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sham Beam >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________ >> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >> _____________________________________________ >> noise I make: >> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >> >> noise I like: >> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >> >> sites I run: >> http://www.ctran.co.uk >> http://o-fu-online.net >> ------------------------------- >

And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone listens to is Poppy Crum. Perfect. On Dec 8, 2014 10:03 AM, "Mark Schieldrop" <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote:

quoted 84 lines I WOULD argue, not won't.

> I WOULD argue, not won't. > > From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> > Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM > To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to > your love of music" > > While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts > and got a lot of facts wrong, I won't argue that highly compressed music is > exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio > commercial for a monster truck show. > > > > From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> > Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM > To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> > Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, idm > list <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to > your love of music" > > Wait, you're reading the comments? > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the >> comments... >> >> Met vriendelijke groet, >> >> Wim Vogel >> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >>> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >>> >>> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> bollocks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has- >>>>> done-to-your-love-of-music >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sham Beam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>> _____________________________________________ >>> noise I make: >>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>> >>> noise I like: >>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>> >>> sites I run: >>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>> http://o-fu-online.net >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> >

dont diss poppy Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 88 lines And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone listens

> And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone listens > to is Poppy Crum. Perfect. > On Dec 8, 2014 10:03 AM, "Mark Schieldrop" <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: > >> I WOULD argue, not won’t. >> >> From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM >> To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >> your love of music" >> >> While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts >> and got a lot of facts wrong, I won’t argue that highly compressed music is >> exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio >> commercial for a monster truck show. >> >> >> >> From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> >> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM >> To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> >> Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, >> idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >> your love of music" >> >> Wait, you're reading the comments? >> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the >>> comments... >>> >>> Met vriendelijke groet, >>> >>> Wim Vogel >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >>>> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >>>> >>>> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> bollocks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has- >>>>>> done-to-your-love-of-music >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sham Beam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> noise I make: >>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>> >>>> noise I like: >>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>> >>>> sites I run: >>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >>

in my humble opinion, music is less percieved with all the crud worthless producers put out for the masses to process these days, apart from the strange confusion Tom has with bitrate and audio (effect) compression ... On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 22 lines bollocks.

> bollocks. > > > > On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > >> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has- >> done-to-your-love-of-music >> >> -- >> >> --- >> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >> > > > -- > Sham Beam > > >

Get Off My Lawn: Wannabe-Audiophile-Edition This <http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html> is how you write an article about digital audio reproduction/quality. On Mon Dec 08 2014 at 12:57:21 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 97 lines dont diss poppy

> dont diss poppy > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone >> listens to is Poppy Crum. Perfect. >> On Dec 8, 2014 10:03 AM, "Mark Schieldrop" <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >> >>> I WOULD argue, not won’t. >>> >>> From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM >>> To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >>> your love of music" >>> >>> While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts >>> and got a lot of facts wrong, I won’t argue that highly compressed music is >>> exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio >>> commercial for a monster truck show. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> >>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM >>> To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> >>> Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, >>> idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >>> your love of music" >>> >>> Wait, you're reading the comments? >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of >>>> the comments... >>>> >>>> Met vriendelijke groet, >>>> >>>> Wim Vogel >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >>>>> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >>>>> >>>>> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> bollocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done- >>>>>>> to-your-love-of-music >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sham Beam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>> noise I make: >>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>> >>>>> noise I like: >>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>> >>>>> sites I run: >>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >

yes neil young is on the cutting edge of audio, pushing for a high bitrate lossless format that... has existed for 20+ years before he ever brought the issue up. good job neil! now everyone continue to use flac, wavpack, APE and all the other formats -- oh what's that, your record label can't patent those because they are open standards? oh shit well, we'd better all get behind a new one then! Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 106 lines Get Off My Lawn: Wannabe-Audiophile-Edition

> Get Off My Lawn: Wannabe-Audiophile-Edition > > This <http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html> is how you write an > article about digital audio reproduction/quality. > > > On Mon Dec 08 2014 at 12:57:21 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> dont diss poppy >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone >>> listens to is Poppy Crum. Perfect. >>> On Dec 8, 2014 10:03 AM, "Mark Schieldrop" <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >>> >>>> I WOULD argue, not won’t. >>>> >>>> From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM >>>> To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >>>> your love of music" >>>> >>>> While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts >>>> and got a lot of facts wrong, I won’t argue that highly compressed music is >>>> exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio >>>> commercial for a monster truck show. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM >>>> To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> >>>> Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, >>>> idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >>>> your love of music" >>>> >>>> Wait, you're reading the comments? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of >>>>> the comments... >>>>> >>>>> Met vriendelijke groet, >>>>> >>>>> Wim Vogel >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >>>>>> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> bollocks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done- >>>>>>>> to-your-love-of-music >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sham Beam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>>> noise I make: >>>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>>> >>>>>> noise I like: >>>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>>> >>>>>> sites I run: >>>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>

I want that whopping 1000kbps vinyl

quoted 98 lines On 09 Dec 2014, at 20:55, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09 Dec 2014, at 20:55, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > yes neil young is on the cutting edge of audio, pushing for a high bitrate lossless format that... has existed for 20+ years before he ever brought the issue up. > good job neil! > now everyone continue to use flac, wavpack, APE and all the other formats -- oh what's that, your record label can't patent those because they are open standards? > oh shit well, we'd better all get behind a new one then! > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com <mailto:eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com>> wrote: > Get Off My Lawn: Wannabe-Audiophile-Edition > > This <http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html> is how you write an article about digital audio reproduction/quality. > > > On Mon Dec 08 2014 at 12:57:21 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: > dont diss poppy > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com <mailto:22tape@gmail.com>> wrote: > And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone listens to is Poppy Crum. Perfect. > > On Dec 8, 2014 10:03 AM, "Mark Schieldrop" <mark@schieldrop.us <mailto:mark@schieldrop.us>> wrote: > I WOULD argue, not won’t. > > From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us <mailto:mark@schieldrop.us>> > Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM > To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org>> > Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to your love of music" > > While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of concepts and got a lot of facts wrong, I won’t argue that highly compressed music is exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like a radio commercial for a monster truck show. > > > > From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com <mailto:alucas@gmail.com>> > Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM > To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com <mailto:wim.vogel@gmail.com>> > Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com <mailto:sham.beam@gmail.com>>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org>> > Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to your love of music" > > Wait, you're reading the comments? > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com <mailto:wim.vogel@gmail.com>> wrote: > Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of the comments... > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Vogel > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com <mailto:zombiefly@gmail.com>> wrote: > bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? > > On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com <mailto:sham.beam@gmail.com>> wrote: > bollocks. > > > > On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of-music <http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done-to-your-love-of-music> > > -- > > --- > http://twitter.com/esaruoho <http://twitter.com/esaruoho> > http://lackluster.bandcamp.com <http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/> > > > -- > Sham Beam > > > > > > -- > _____________________________________________ > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K > _____________________________________________ > noise I make: > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin <http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin> > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin <http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin> > > noise I like: > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly <http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly> > > sites I run: > http://www.ctran.co.uk <http://www.ctran.co.uk/> > http://o-fu-online.net <http://o-fu-online.net/> > ------------------------------- > > > >

you know another factor too is how many people listen to shitty ripped mp3s or youtube rips etc, stuff on the web taken off a cd/record -- things in one format that were mastered for another format. big diff between a 320kbs mp3 encoded with even just a better encoder or a random 96kbps youtube rip or something. Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 131 lines I want that whopping 1000kbps vinyl

> I want that whopping 1000kbps vinyl > > > > On 09 Dec 2014, at 20:55, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > yes neil young is on the cutting edge of audio, pushing for a high bitrate > lossless format that... has existed for 20+ years before he ever brought > the issue up. > good job neil! > now everyone continue to use flac, wavpack, APE and all the other formats > -- oh what's that, your record label can't patent those because they are > open standards? > oh shit well, we'd better all get behind a new one then! > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Get Off My Lawn: Wannabe-Audiophile-Edition >> >> This <http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html> is how you write >> an article about digital audio reproduction/quality. >> >> >> On Mon Dec 08 2014 at 12:57:21 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> dont diss poppy >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> And here to talk about shitty, over-compressed music that everyone >>>> listens to is Poppy Crum. Perfect. >>>> On Dec 8, 2014 10:03 AM, "Mark Schieldrop" <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I WOULD argue, not won’t. >>>>> >>>>> From: Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM >>>>> To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >>>>> your love of music" >>>>> >>>>> While I agree that the author of this piece mixed up a slew of >>>>> concepts and got a lot of facts wrong, I won’t argue that highly compressed >>>>> music is exhausting to listen to and crappy. It makes the music sound like >>>>> a radio commercial for a monster truck show. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Monday, December 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM >>>>> To: Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> >>>>> Cc: Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com>, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>, >>>>> idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: everythings ruined! aiee! "What the Internet has done to >>>>> your love of music" >>>>> >>>>> Wait, you're reading the comments? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Wim Vogel <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Almost everything in this 'article' is bollocks... just read some of >>>>>> the comments... >>>>>> >>>>>> Met vriendelijke groet, >>>>>> >>>>>> Wim Vogel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> bollocks? that article is exactly right. everything IS overly >>>>>>> compressed/boosted these days. what's bollocks about it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 December 2014 at 07:03, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bollocks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/8/2014 5:01 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://mic.com/articles/104250/what-the-internet-has-done- >>>>>>>>> to-your-love-of-music >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>>>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sham Beam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K >>>>>>> _____________________________________________ >>>>>>> noise I make: >>>>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin >>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> noise I like: >>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sites I run: >>>>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk >>>>>>> http://o-fu-online.net >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > >

On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 1 line you know another factor too is how many people listen to shitty ripped mp3s or youtube rip

> you know another factor too is how many people listen to shitty ripped mp3s or youtube rips etc, stuff on the web taken off a cd/record -- things in one format that were mastered for another format. big diff between a 320kbs mp3 encoded with even just a better encoder or a random 96kbps youtube rip or something.

There's an interesting bit in David Byrne's book "How Music Works" about how music is shaped by the context in which it's listened to. Like once western classical music moved out of the chamber / Baroque period and into larger concert halls, ornate trills and decoration gave way to more bombastic thundering pieces like Wagner. (And then reached their ultimate extension in the arena rock era) - And now the ubiquity of ppl listening through piece of shit earbuds in public places has led mastering/EQ and pop production techniques to adapt to that sonic environment. More here: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/a-mcsweeneys-books-preview-of-david-byrnes-how-music-works - Eric Sorenson - N45.52619 W122.6792 - http://twitter.com/ahpook -