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2005-02-02 17:55ed cjust found these files. i have not been impressed with most Aphex since come to daddy but

From:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:55:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] analord 10

just found these files. i have not been impressed with most Aphex since come to daddy but this stuff is great. i never thought i would say this but this is better than the richard d. james album. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

2005-02-03 03:11A75I agree - this is a very nice pair of songs. Way more involved and interesting than analor

From:: A75 <a@adrien75.com>
To:: idml <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:11:58 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] analord 10
Reply to:: [idm] analord 10

I agree - this is a very nice pair of songs. Way more involved and interesting than analord 1 & 2 (which sound like really good Bochum Welt tracks) on 2/2/05 9:55 AM, ed c at echurch86@yahoo.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines just found these files. i have not been impressed with most Aphex since come

> just found these files. i have not been impressed with most Aphex since come > to daddy but this stuff is great. i never thought i would say this but this is > better than the richard d. james album.

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2005-02-08 18:33Josh Steineryeah, this one in particular is Teh Phatness ed c wrote: >just found these files. i have n

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:33:15 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] analord 10
Reply to:: [idm] analord 10

yeah, this one in particular is Teh Phatness ed c wrote:

quoted 8 lines just found these files. i have not been impressed with most Aphex since come to daddy but

>just found these files. i have not been impressed with most Aphex since come to daddy but this stuff is great. i never thought i would say this but this is better than the richard d. james album. > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > >

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2005-02-08 20:58qwertyi wouldn't talk much... i just have to say i'm completely overwhelmed by the 3 analords th

From:: qwerty <miro.merlak@vip.hr>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:58:05 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] analord 10

i wouldn't talk much... i just have to say i'm completely overwhelmed by the 3 analords that came out so far... they represent absolutely everything i love in electronic music. i'm surprised nobody mentioned 'ammnesia' so far, especaially because the track title indicates to that... massive respect to afx peace miro --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-09 01:23Robert FreemanYeah, i dunno how that guy does it. Everytime he releases something, it just sounds like t

From:: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com>
To:: qwerty <miro.merlak@vip.hr>, IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:23:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] Richard James
Reply to:: Re: [idm] analord 10

Yeah, i dunno how that guy does it. Everytime he releases something, it just sounds like the future. I dont even think of him as "IDM", just seems so petty. Ya Know? R. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-09 01:24Robert FreemanSo,is DEVO IDM? I forgot. R. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail

From:: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:24:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: [idm] Richard James

So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot. R. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-09 02:46Adam PiontekNo, but IDM are Devo. On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Robert Freeman wrote: > So,is DEVO IDM?

From:: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:46:35 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: [idm] DEVO

No, but IDM are Devo. On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Robert Freeman wrote:

quoted 2 lines So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot.

> So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot. >

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2005-02-09 15:09ed cit matters what you define as IDM. I think IDM is electronic music that tries harder eithe

From:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
To:: Indigo Danelions Merrygolds <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:09:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

it matters what you define as IDM. I think IDM is electronic music that tries harder either musically or just with sound. Devo might have not been that great back in the 80's but if you listen to there synth programming it was incredible for the time. They put in the extra time and made some incredible synth solo's, i would call that IDM. But than again, i would also call the talking heads song "born under punches" IDM. It was the avant garde for the time. I would never call SAW 1 and 2 IDM cause now it just sounds like ambient dance but for its time it was IDM so that is my justification. Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: No, but IDM are Devo. On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Robert Freeman wrote:

quoted 2 lines So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot.

> So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot. >

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2005-02-09 15:25Jason Clarkdoes anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music? even though it's the

From:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:25:30 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music? even though it's the style i most listen to, i'm usually embarrassed to use it in conversation. it's such a pretentious term. i usually just say i listen to really weird electronic music. seems to define it better than "IDM". On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:09:11 -0800 (PST), ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 20 lines it matters what you define as IDM. I think IDM is electronic music that tries harder eithe

> it matters what you define as IDM. I think IDM is electronic music that tries harder either musically or just with sound. Devo might have not been that great back in the 80's but if you listen to there synth programming it was incredible for the time. They put in the extra time and made some incredible synth solo's, i would call that IDM. But than again, i would also call the talking heads song "born under punches" IDM. It was the avant garde for the time. > > I would never call SAW 1 and 2 IDM cause now it just sounds like ambient dance but for its time it was IDM so that is my justification. > > Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: > No, but IDM are Devo. > > On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Robert Freeman wrote: > > > So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' >

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2005-02-09 15:43Eric SorensonOn Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Jason Clark wrote: > does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about

From:: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net>
To:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:43:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Jason Clark wrote:

quoted 5 lines does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music?

> does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music? > even though it's the style i most listen to, i'm usually embarrassed > to use it in conversation. it's such a pretentious term. i usually > just say i listen to really weird electronic music. seems to define it > better than "IDM".

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2005-02-09 15:46Jason Clarkproblem with that is, I'm over sarcasm and irony. leave that to the indie rockers. they se

From:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:46:22 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

problem with that is, I'm over sarcasm and irony. leave that to the indie rockers. they seem to enjoy it much more than me. ps - can i download the Handbook somewhere? ;) On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:43:03 -0800 (PST), Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote:

quoted 16 lines On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Jason Clark wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Jason Clark wrote: > > > does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music? > > even though it's the style i most listen to, i'm usually embarrassed > > to use it in conversation. it's such a pretentious term. i usually > > just say i listen to really weird electronic music. seems to define it > > better than "IDM". > > The Handbook sez you're only supposed to use it in conversation if you > simultaneously make quote-marks with your fingers and give an > exaggerated eye-roll... > > -- > > - Eric Sorenson - Explosive Networking - http://eric.explosive.net - >

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2005-02-09 15:59Adam PiontekI generally just say I listen to electronic music, and leave it up to the person I'm talki

From:: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:59:37 -0500
Subject:: [idm] endless "IDM" genre term discussion (was re: DEVO)
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

I generally just say I listen to electronic music, and leave it up to the person I'm talking to to make assumptions about what that means, or to inquire more about what specifically I like. They either pigeon-hole me in their mind, or ask me what I mean, and then we progress to specific artists and albums, and the history of the genre/email list. This is, I believe, really the only good way to talk about music: by specific example of the people and releases involved, and what little history/stories there are about the people making it. "IDM" is too specific and/or meaningless at term to serve as a jumping-off point, as far as I'm concerned. -Adam Piontek damek.org Jason Clark wrote:

quoted 26 lines problem with that is, I'm over sarcasm and irony. leave that to the

> problem with that is, I'm over sarcasm and irony. leave that to the > indie rockers. they seem to enjoy it much more than me. > > ps - can i download the Handbook somewhere? ;) > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:43:03 -0800 (PST), Eric Sorenson > <eric@explosive.net> wrote: > >>On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Jason Clark wrote: >> >> >>>does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music? >>>even though it's the style i most listen to, i'm usually embarrassed >>>to use it in conversation. it's such a pretentious term. i usually >>>just say i listen to really weird electronic music. seems to define it >>>better than "IDM". >> >>The Handbook sez you're only supposed to use it in conversation if you >>simultaneously make quote-marks with your fingers and give an >>exaggerated eye-roll... >> >>-- >> >> - Eric Sorenson - Explosive Networking - http://eric.explosive.net - >> >

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2005-02-09 15:47ed cI usually just refer to it as the kind of electronic music that would make you look like a

From:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
To:: Indigo Danelions Merrygolds <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:47:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

I usually just refer to it as the kind of electronic music that would make you look like a jack ass for dancing to it. Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote:On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Jason Clark wrote:

quoted 5 lines does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music?

> does anyone use "IDM" in daily life talking about this type of music? > even though it's the style i most listen to, i'm usually embarrassed > to use it in conversation. it's such a pretentious term. i usually > just say i listen to really weird electronic music. seems to define it > better than "IDM".

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2005-02-09 19:29Robert FreemanWhenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm talking about, and the Geeks(you know who

From:: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. R. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-09 15:52Irene McCAh Adam - good answer :-) Within the last year I picked up Devo's Greatest Hits & companio

From:: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:52:15 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] DEVO
Reply to:: Re: [idm] DEVO

Ah Adam - good answer :-) Within the last year I picked up Devo's Greatest Hits & companion Greatest Misses at a market stall, which brought back their brilliance with a rush. "Through Being Cool"... brilliant stuff. I have no idea how people would react to their sound now who have never heard them before, though? It's different having memories brought back if you remember them from their heyday, but if you weren't around at that time and come to it fresh now - how does it sound? I * On 8 Feb 2005 at 21:46, Adam Piontek wrote:

quoted 6 lines No, but IDM are Devo.

> No, but IDM are Devo. > > On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Robert Freeman wrote: > > > So,is DEVO IDM? I forgot. > >

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2005-02-09 19:38David Moufangsorry robert... Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > Von: David Moufang <move_d@t-online.

From:: David Moufang <move_d@t-online.de>
To:: idm <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:38:55 +0100
Subject:: Fwd: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

sorry robert... Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

quoted 32 lines Von: David Moufang <move_d@t-online.de>

> Von: David Moufang <move_d@t-online.de> > Datum: 9. Februar 2005 20:38:00 MEZ > An: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com> > Betreff: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > Am 09.02.2005 um 20:29 schrieb Robert Freeman: > >> Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm >> talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) >> just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. >> >> R. >> >> > > i guess that's what we are... > ;-) > > maybe that's the biggest problem of the genre - all the names for it > suck - electronica, i(ntelligent)dm, ambient, ... > i kinda like listening (techno) - or armchair techno™ > > cheers, > david > > > > 1992 - 2002 ten years Source Records > http://www.source-records.com > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/source-records-newslist/ > >

2005-02-10 00:02Greg Hillinteresting discussions today. I like it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Judd"

From:: Greg Hill <cameron69@comcast.net>
To:: Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:02:04 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

interesting discussions today. I like it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Judd" <nathan_judd@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

quoted 12 lines the only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of

> the only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of > being labeled as pretentious. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Frey" <ultramod@hotmail.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:35 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > > > Some people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it > > intelligent dance music is pretentious. I'm kind of uncomfortable with

the

quoted 38 lines title myself.

> > title myself. > > > >>From: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com> > >>To: idm@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > >>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) > >> > >>Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm > >>talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) > >>just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. > >> > >>R. > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-10 00:35Barbara FreySome people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it intelligent dance music is

From:: Barbara Frey <ultramod@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:35:55 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

Some people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it intelligent dance music is pretentious. I'm kind of uncomfortable with the title myself.

quoted 22 lines From: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com>

>From: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) > >Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm >talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) >just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. > >R. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2005-02-10 00:53Kent WilliamsIt's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh? Genre names are shorth

From:: Kent Williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:53:02 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh? Genre names are shorthand, useful for journalists, and even listeners. I would bet money there are plenty of people who have seen 'IDM' in magazine articles and have no idea what the letters stand for. Heh, I saw 'EBM' for a long time before I broke down and googled it. The producers of the music have always had an incestuous relationship with the list, most of them have been on and off the list. Muziq seems to be back in lurk mode. Autechre were on for a while. RDJ was one briefly until he decided we were a bunch of sad twats. I know a couple other guys who are what passes for prominent in this field of endeavor, who are lurkers now. IDM is whatever is discussed on this list, a priori. The tastes of people on this list influence the music that gets made and released. A disturbingly high percentage of the subscribers are also producers. A lot of people were initially inspired by the mailing list to start making tracks. Enough people subscribe to this list to pretty much pay pressing costs for most of the 'this-listy' music. It's all a snake swallowing it's tail action. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 00:41Nathan Juddthe only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of being labeled as

From:: Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:41:16 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

the only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of being labeled as pretentious. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Frey" <ultramod@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

quoted 34 lines Some people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it

> Some people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it > intelligent dance music is pretentious. I'm kind of uncomfortable with the > title myself. > >>From: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com> >>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM >>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) >> >>Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm >>talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) >>just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. >> >>R. >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-10 09:40john tuffenRe: the 'intelligent' bit.... (and self publicity): Here's a recent review of my single fr

From:: john tuffen <john@namke.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:40:16 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

Re: the 'intelligent' bit.... (and self publicity): Here's a recent review of my single from the Empty fanzine (http://tinrp.free.fr/empty/pages/archive/n.htm): /Someone invented the words intelligent techno because he was stupid enough to be a techno fan. Please note these words do not apply to this excellent beat-electro record in the usual vein of Namke that sounds absolutely like its beautiful cover: peaceful, but somewhat desolate; plain without being monotonous; and Human presence can only be seen in the far distance, small, but still here. :) john.. -- http://www.iwari.com/ http://www.minimism.com/ --- Quoting Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com>:

quoted 50 lines the only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of

> the only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of > being labeled as pretentious. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Frey" <ultramod@hotmail.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:35 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > > > Some people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it > > intelligent dance music is pretentious. I'm kind of uncomfortable with the > > title myself. > > > >>From: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com> > >>To: idm@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > >>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) > >> > >>Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm > >>talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) > >>just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. > >> > >>R. > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-10 10:26Barbara FreyI never said I thought it was pretentious. I don't agree with that at all. It's just somet

From:: Barbara Frey <ultramod@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:26:51 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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I never said I thought it was pretentious. I don't agree with that at all. It's just something that has often come up in conversation with others. I said I was "kind of uncomfortable with the title", as I am with many subgenre labels. Sometimes they don't seem to fit the music. Call it what you will, I love IDM regardless.

quoted 66 lines Quoting Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com>:

> > > >Quoting Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com>: > > > the only thing worse than pretentious people are those who are afraid of > > being labeled as pretentious. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Frey" <ultramod@hotmail.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:35 PM > > Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > > > > > > Some people get offended by the name IDM. They think calling it > > > intelligent dance music is pretentious. I'm kind of uncomfortable with >the > > > title myself. > > > > > >>From: Robert Freeman <mammal11@yahoo.com> > > >>To: idm@hyperreal.org > > >>Subject: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > >>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) > > >> > > >>Whenever I say the "IDM", no one knows what I'm > > >>talking about, and the Geeks(you know who you are) > > >>just snicker and laugh, and call me old man. > > >> > > >>R. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>__________________________________ > > >>Do you Yahoo!? > > >>Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2005-02-10 14:15David Sim> It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh? Yep. Does this mean

From:: David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:15:00 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

quoted 1 line It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh?

> It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh?

Yep. Does this mean that I get to trot out the old John Peel quote to the effect that the best thing about intelligent drum and bass is that it implies the existence of stupid drum and bass, which sounds like it'd be awesome.

quoted 1 line Genre names are shorthand, useful for journalists, and even listeners.

> Genre names are shorthand, useful for journalists, and even listeners.

Not too useful for listeners - I occasionally catch myself trying to decide whether something's trip hop or IDM, and based on this whether I like it or not. Then I slap myself and try to judge it on its merits. And it's quite dodgy for producers too - once IDM is a genre, it becomes possible to produce generic IDM. It's handy for journalists and for finding things in records shops, though. Personally I don't use the term, because either it'll mean nothing to the listener, or they'll think I mean entirely Mercky stuff when I'm trying to imply a rather broader range of things. David This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 14:35ed cThe term IDM might be stupid but if you look at the "genre" thats what it is. We are the e

From:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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The term IDM might be stupid but if you look at the "genre" thats what it is. We are the electronic musicians music. Just like Stockhausen was 40 years ago we are the music electronic musicians listen to for new ideas, new sound, new music. IDM tends to filter down into a more acceptable mainstream after a couple of years to the point where everyone on the list would not call it IDM but other people (yes the lesser people, we are the master genre) recognize it as something new and cool. Thats what i love about IDM, we are the cutting edge before the edge is cut. David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:> It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh? Yep. Does this mean that I get to trot out the old John Peel quote to the effect that the best thing about intelligent drum and bass is that it implies the existence of stupid drum and bass, which sounds like it'd be awesome.

quoted 1 line Genre names are shorthand, useful for journalists, and even listeners.

> Genre names are shorthand, useful for journalists, and even listeners.

Not too useful for listeners - I occasionally catch myself trying to decide whether something's trip hop or IDM, and based on this whether I like it or not. Then I slap myself and try to judge it on its merits. And it's quite dodgy for producers too - once IDM is a genre, it becomes possible to produce generic IDM. It's handy for journalists and for finding things in records shops, though. Personally I don't use the term, because either it'll mean nothing to the listener, or they'll think I mean entirely Mercky stuff when I'm trying to imply a rather broader range of things. David This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.

2005-02-10 15:22Kent WilliamsOn Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST), ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thats what i

From:: Kent Williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>
To:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:22:24 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST), ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 1 line Thats what i love about IDM, we are the cutting edge before the edge is cut.

> Thats what i love about IDM, we are the cutting edge before the edge is cut.

Bon mot of the day, or perhaps mot juste? The thing about being cutting edge is that you start to run out of ways to innovate. Now that we've got music based on distortion so pervasive that it's just modulated square waves, and beats cut up to the point that they oscillate in the low audio range, fake modular synths on our computers that rivals Hans Zimmer's Wall Of Moog, and samples so warped, stretched, and pitched they sound like radios tuned between stations, where do you go from here? I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's laptop. If you think about it, in this day and age, the most revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 20:47Simon Kong> > I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's > laptop. If you thin

From:: Simon Kong <nil@obscure.co.nz>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:47:24 +1300
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

quoted 5 lines I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's

> > I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's > laptop. If you think about it, in this day and age, the most > revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without > amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music.

keep talking . we are barely scratching the surface here ' surround sound is such a shallow term for where I see the future of music. I think we need to forget about how much we can crunch sounds internally in our minds and get the sound out there. Try playing a trumpet in a cave ! I love standing in front of large outdoor PA's in the wind. I want to see artist perform on systems where the whole PA is floating on boats off shore. And I can walk along the beach catching touches of music between breaking waves. If you are truly board and desperate for something new. I suggest you get a bunch of kids under 11, and show them how to use your equipment. Get them to record their own voices and cut and paste it together .. Most of us are so far from the edge we are drawing circles trying to find it. Stereo is death ' forget about your five point. my ass Go listen to the Car boys drive by in their boom cars ! broadcast some wicked music and get them to tune in, then drive around your block all night . . . Sound is all around us ' and we sit in little boxes trying to divide it into smaller more intellegent forms, while we can hardly hear our breathing. Intelligent dance music is about innovation. Create multi layer sound scape where the center is a pumping party and the surroundings are aural gardens of glitch consumed. We need to get out and play again. Escape the confines of what we want to be good. I fear my age is teaching me to forget tricks. I like listening to where sound is ! .simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 20:53circuit benderAgreed Simon. Could come from any source, and it doesn't have to be a computer..there's pr

From:: circuit bender <circuit_bender@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

Agreed Simon. Could come from any source, and it doesn't have to be a computer..there's probably some kid making/thinking it in his bedroom or somewhere, right now.. Simon Kong <nil@obscure.co.nz> wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's

> > I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's > laptop. If you think about it, in this day and age, the most > revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without > amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music.

keep talking . we are barely scratching the surface here ' surround sound is such a shallow term for where I see the future of music. I think we need to forget about how much we can crunch sounds internally in our minds and get the sound out there. Try playing a trumpet in a cave ! I love standing in front of large outdoor PA's in the wind. I want to see artist perform on systems where the whole PA is floating on boats off shore. And I can walk along the beach catching touches of music between breaking waves. If you are truly board and desperate for something new. I suggest you get a bunch of kids under 11, and show them how to use your equipment. Get them to record their own voices and cut and paste it together .. Most of us are so far from the edge we are drawing circles trying to find it. Stereo is death ' forget about your five point. my ass Go listen to the Car boys drive by in their boom cars ! broadcast some wicked music and get them to tune in, then drive around your block all night . . . Sound is all around us ' and we sit in little boxes trying to divide it into smaller more intellegent forms, while we can hardly hear our breathing. Intelligent dance music is about innovation. Create multi layer sound scape where the center is a pumping party and the surroundings are aural gardens of glitch consumed. We need to get out and play again. Escape the confines of what we want to be good. I fear my age is teaching me to forget tricks. I like listening to where sound is ! .simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do?

2005-02-10 20:53ed cyeah, like if there was a group that tried to break there synthesizers on stage that would

From:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
To:: Indigo Danelions Merrygolds <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

yeah, like if there was a group that tried to break there synthesizers on stage that would be cool. i heard the other day that there is actually a group where they play songs by setting up metal detectors in the audience and the audience plays the music. that probably doesn't sound that great to listen to but its a cool idea. Simon Kong <nil@obscure.co.nz> wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's

> > I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's > laptop. If you think about it, in this day and age, the most > revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without > amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music.

keep talking . we are barely scratching the surface here ' surround sound is such a shallow term for where I see the future of music. I think we need to forget about how much we can crunch sounds internally in our minds and get the sound out there. Try playing a trumpet in a cave ! I love standing in front of large outdoor PA's in the wind. I want to see artist perform on systems where the whole PA is floating on boats off shore. And I can walk along the beach catching touches of music between breaking waves. If you are truly board and desperate for something new. I suggest you get a bunch of kids under 11, and show them how to use your equipment. Get them to record their own voices and cut and paste it together .. Most of us are so far from the edge we are drawing circles trying to find it. Stereo is death ' forget about your five point. my ass Go listen to the Car boys drive by in their boom cars ! broadcast some wicked music and get them to tune in, then drive around your block all night . . . Sound is all around us ' and we sit in little boxes trying to divide it into smaller more intellegent forms, while we can hardly hear our breathing. Intelligent dance music is about innovation. Create multi layer sound scape where the center is a pumping party and the surroundings are aural gardens of glitch consumed. We need to get out and play again. Escape the confines of what we want to be good. I fear my age is teaching me to forget tricks. I like listening to where sound is ! .simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

2005-02-10 20:55circuit benderthat sounds like einsturzende neubaten, circa 86. ;] ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com> wrote: yea

From:: circuit bender <circuit_bender@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:55:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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that sounds like einsturzende neubaten, circa 86. ;] ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com> wrote: yeah, like if there was a group that tried to break there synthesizers on stage that would be cool. i heard the other day that there is actually a group where they play songs by setting up metal detectors in the audience and the audience plays the music. that probably doesn't sound that great to listen to but its a cool idea. Simon Kong wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's

> > I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's > laptop. If you think about it, in this day and age, the most > revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without > amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music.

keep talking . we are barely scratching the surface here ' surround sound is such a shallow term for where I see the future of music. I think we need to forget about how much we can crunch sounds internally in our minds and get the sound out there. Try playing a trumpet in a cave ! I love standing in front of large outdoor PA's in the wind. I want to see artist perform on systems where the whole PA is floating on boats off shore. And I can walk along the beach catching touches of music between breaking waves. If you are truly board and desperate for something new. I suggest you get a bunch of kids under 11, and show them how to use your equipment. Get them to record their own voices and cut and paste it together .. Most of us are so far from the edge we are drawing circles trying to find it. Stereo is death ' forget about your five point. my ass Go listen to the Car boys drive by in their boom cars ! broadcast some wicked music and get them to tune in, then drive around your block all night . . . Sound is all around us ' and we sit in little boxes trying to divide it into smaller more intellegent forms, while we can hardly hear our breathing. Intelligent dance music is about innovation. Create multi layer sound scape where the center is a pumping party and the surroundings are aural gardens of glitch consumed. We need to get out and play again. Escape the confines of what we want to be good. I fear my age is teaching me to forget tricks. I like listening to where sound is ! .simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

2005-02-10 22:18Simon KongHa Ha . I think we spend alot of time trying to be to smart about it. Everytime I introduc

From:: Simon Kong <nil@obscure.co.nz>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:18:35 +1300
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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Ha Ha . I think we spend alot of time trying to be to smart about it. Everytime I introduce kids to technology ' I am amazed in a really humble and profound way. Personally I am realizing, that I will not come up with a whole lot of new ideas. I basically want to spend the next 15 years refining the ideas I have until they are beautiful. What I would love to do, is putting solid systems in front of young people and let them do what they want. I certainly would never of discovered heaps of music if certain seniors in my life had not shown me the door. From their came the blooming of new ideas and creative intensity. Today ' I have to many hard earned understandings that begin to limit in some sense my ability accept or interperate new things. I have noticed alot of my peers going back to old music. I remember being 18 and trying to figure out why grown up listen to old music, and getting really frustrated about not being able to introduce them to new stuff. Now I find some new music tired and tried. Perhaps if I was 18 again it would be sweet and rich. This is why I feel like I'm trying to be to smart about it! .simon ed c wrote:

quoted 69 lines yeah, like if there was a group that tried to break there synthesizers on stage that would

> yeah, like if there was a group that tried to break there synthesizers on stage that would be cool. i heard the other day that there is actually a group where they play songs by setting up metal detectors in the audience and the audience plays the music. that probably doesn't sound that great to listen to but its a cool idea. > > Simon Kong <nil@obscure.co.nz> wrote: > >>I'm not sure the next big thing is going to come out of anyone's >>laptop. If you think about it, in this day and age, the most >>revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without >>amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music. > > > > keep talking . > > we are barely scratching the surface here ' > > surround sound is such a shallow term for where I see the future > of music. I think we need to forget about how much we can crunch > sounds internally in our minds and get the sound out there. > > Try playing a trumpet in a cave ! > > I love standing in front of large outdoor PA's in the wind. > > I want to see artist perform on systems where the whole PA is > floating on boats off shore. And I can walk along the beach > catching touches of music between breaking waves. > > If you are truly board and desperate for something new. > I suggest you get a bunch of kids under 11, and show them how to > use your equipment. Get them to record their own voices and cut > and paste it together .. > > Most of us are so far from the edge we are drawing circles trying > to find it. > > Stereo is death ' forget about your five point. my ass > > Go listen to the Car boys drive by in their boom cars ! broadcast > some wicked music and get them to tune in, then drive around your > block all night . . . > > Sound is all around us ' and we sit in little boxes trying to divide > it into smaller more intellegent forms, while we can hardly hear our > breathing. > > Intelligent dance music is about innovation. > > Create multi layer sound scape where the center is a pumping > party and the surroundings are aural gardens of glitch consumed. > > We need to get out and play again. Escape the confines of what we > want to be good. I fear my age is teaching me to forget tricks. > > I like listening to where sound is ! > > .simon > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

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2005-02-11 13:28ersatz-noddywill somebody please change the name of this fucking list and spare my inbox?

From:: ersatz-noddy <noddy@ersatzdesign.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:28:58 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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will somebody please change the name of this fucking list and spare my inbox?

2005-02-12 01:24wallace winfreyOn Thu, 10 Feb 2005, David Sim wrote: >> It's a new year time to start a new thread about

From:: wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:24:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, David Sim wrote:

quoted 6 lines It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh?

>> It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh? > > Yep. Does this mean that I get to trot out the old John Peel quote to > the effect that the best thing about intelligent drum and bass is that > it implies the existence of stupid drum and bass, which sounds like it'd > be awesome.

Brilliant quote. In 1995, I bought a double pack on the S.U. label (Strictly Underground) called "Intelligent Drum n Bass Volume Two". The liner notes on the backside have always struck me as quite hilarious, both because of the cover illustration (Rodin's The Thinker with a baseball cap on backwards b-boy style) and the obvious sincerity with which the notes were written: "The Strictly Underground Corporation return with another wicked selection of the best Underground Tunes currently Doing It in the UK. As with volume one this Album is the real deal for the purest in Drum & Bass and has NO JUNGLE ON IT. The term intelligent Drum & Bass was coined by DJ's who wanted to specify the quality and musical side of the Drum & Bass Scene. This is the music that can't be thrown together in 5 minutes, it takes time & talent to make, and for those who know, a million miles from jungle. The S.U. Corporation once again giving you the true underground scene for the true underground ravers!" (All caps and poorly-placed apostrophes are S.U.'s own...) Of course, what's really funny is that the purist who wrote these words probably didn't know that SU would be advertising some of it's other compilations on the bottom of the backside: Hardcore Junglistic Fever Vol. 2 Jungle Sound Clash 2 I guess these compilations specify the "shitty" and "unmusical" side of the drum & bass scene, you know, stuff that was thrown together in 5 minutes without time or talent. There's also two tracks on the comp attributed to the artist called "Drum & Bass". w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-15 10:42n3wjackLOL, that description would be a good reason to simply not buy that CD compilation :) On F

From:: n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:42:33 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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LOL, that description would be a good reason to simply not buy that CD compilation :) On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:24:31 -0700 (MST), wallace winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> wrote:

quoted 50 lines On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, David Sim wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, David Sim wrote: > > >> It's a new year time to start a new thread about the term 'IDM' eh? > > > > Yep. Does this mean that I get to trot out the old John Peel quote to > > the effect that the best thing about intelligent drum and bass is that > > it implies the existence of stupid drum and bass, which sounds like it'd > > be awesome. > > Brilliant quote. > > In 1995, I bought a double pack on the S.U. label (Strictly Underground) > called "Intelligent Drum n Bass Volume Two". The liner notes on the > backside have always struck me as quite hilarious, both because of the > cover illustration (Rodin's The Thinker with a baseball cap on backwards > b-boy style) and the obvious sincerity with which the notes were written: > > "The Strictly Underground Corporation return with another wicked selection > of the best Underground Tunes currently Doing It in the UK. As with volume > one this Album is the real deal for the purest in Drum & Bass and has NO > JUNGLE ON IT. The term intelligent Drum & Bass was coined by DJ's who > wanted to specify the quality and musical side of the Drum & Bass Scene. > This is the music that can't be thrown together in 5 minutes, it takes > time & talent to make, and for those who know, a million miles from > jungle. The S.U. Corporation once again giving you the true underground > scene for the true underground ravers!" > > (All caps and poorly-placed apostrophes are S.U.'s own...) > > Of course, what's really funny is that the purist who wrote these words > probably didn't know that SU would be advertising some of it's other > compilations on the bottom of the backside: > > Hardcore Junglistic Fever Vol. 2 > Jungle Sound Clash 2 > > I guess these compilations specify the "shitty" and "unmusical" side of > the drum & bass scene, you know, stuff that was thrown together in 5 > minutes without time or talent. > > There's also two tracks on the comp attributed to the artist called "Drum > & Bass". > > w > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-10 15:51therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net-------------- Original message -------------- > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST),

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To:: Kent Williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>, ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:51:15 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

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quoted 12 lines On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST), ed c wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST), ed c wrote: > > Thats what i love about IDM, we are the cutting edge before the edge is cut. > > Bon mot of the day, or perhaps mot juste? > > The thing about being cutting edge is that you start to run out of > ways to innovate. Now that we've got music based on distortion so > pervasive that it's just modulated square waves, and beats cut up to > the point that they oscillate in the low audio range, fake modular > synths on our computers that rivals Hans Zimmer's Wall Of Moog, and > samples so warped, stretched, and pitched they sound like radios tuned > between stations, where do you go from here?

---------------------------- You discover that someone else has already done it, so it wasn't as innovative as was once thought (which is often the case with stylized IDM), or you deconstruct the term 'innovation' to find its dependence on the term 'standard' and reverse the order so that what was once standard becomes the new innovation (?). Led Zeppelin, anyone? :-) jeff

2005-02-10 16:24Theorema BinarioWhy dont you just call it IDM? Everbody has another name to call it, bur everbody knows th

From:: Theorema Binario <theorema.bin@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:24:15 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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Why dont you just call it IDM? Everbody has another name to call it, bur everbody knows this music as IDM, too. If everyone called it different, how do you want people to know what are you talkin about? There is no reason for personal names to a genre called globally IDM. If you say to a person that you list to idm music and that person dont know what are you meaning for, thats ok. Not everbody knew the term Punk or HipHop, or even Grunge at the same time. Lets just called it idm, is the term that everbody knows. This way the genre will grow up, as it has been growing up all this time, i think thats what everbody want. When i first heard this music, i knew it as idm and i dont thoug wrong about the name. If anyone critics a genre for his name, he has to be very stupid, music is more than just a name -- Theorema Binario --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 16:27Paul Thomas>There is no reason for personal names to a genre called globally IDM. I think you misuse

From:: Paul Thomas <paul@scansafe.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:27:00 -0000
Subject:: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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quoted 1 line There is no reason for personal names to a genre called globally IDM.

>There is no reason for personal names to a genre called globally IDM.

I think you misuse the word globally here. The term IDM is not used in the UK, apart from British people on the internet communicating with Americans, as far as I'm aware. But whatever. It's a rubbish label for music and labels for music are rubbish. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 19:27wownflutterWhat do the Brits call this kind of music, then? --- Paul Thomas <paul@scansafe.net> wrote

From:: wownflutter <wownflutter@yahoo.com>
To:: Paul Thomas <paul@scansafe.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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What do the Brits call this kind of music, then? --- Paul Thomas <paul@scansafe.net> wrote:

quoted 15 lines There is no reason for personal names to a genre

> >There is no reason for personal names to a genre > called globally IDM. > > I think you misuse the word globally here. The term > IDM is not used in the > UK, apart from British people on the internet > communicating with Americans, > as far as I'm aware. > > But whatever. It's a rubbish label for music and > labels for music are > rubbish. > > >

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2005-02-10 19:35beatsploitationelectronica mostly, electronic music sometimes, or when speaking to skaters and emo crews.

From:: beatsploitation <anatomist@beatsploitation.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:35:38 -0000
Subject:: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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electronica mostly, electronic music sometimes, or when speaking to skaters and emo crews.. glitchy bleepy clicky stuff ...baffled silence... you know warp records n stuff ...baffled silence... aphex twin? ...baffled silence... that video with freaky head on kiddies bodies.. light bulb clicks on ....oh that shit... it's got no guitars or words and the drums are crap, right? cheers neil. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.machine-records.com have you voted yet? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: wownflutter [mailto:wownflutter@yahoo.com] Sent: 10 February 2005 19:27 To: Paul Thomas; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM What do the Brits call this kind of music, then? --- Paul Thomas <paul@scansafe.net> wrote:

quoted 15 lines There is no reason for personal names to a genre

> >There is no reason for personal names to a genre > called globally IDM. > > I think you misuse the word globally here. The term > IDM is not used in the > UK, apart from British people on the internet > communicating with Americans, > as far as I'm aware. > > But whatever. It's a rubbish label for music and > labels for music are > rubbish. > > >

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2005-02-10 15:51therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net-------------- Original message -------------- > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST),

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To:: Kent Williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com>, ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:51:15 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

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quoted 12 lines On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST), ed c wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:35:18 -0800 (PST), ed c wrote: > > Thats what i love about IDM, we are the cutting edge before the edge is cut. > > Bon mot of the day, or perhaps mot juste? > > The thing about being cutting edge is that you start to run out of > ways to innovate. Now that we've got music based on distortion so > pervasive that it's just modulated square waves, and beats cut up to > the point that they oscillate in the low audio range, fake modular > synths on our computers that rivals Hans Zimmer's Wall Of Moog, and > samples so warped, stretched, and pitched they sound like radios tuned > between stations, where do you go from here?

---------------------------- You discover that someone else has already done it, so it wasn't as innovative as was once thought (which is often the case with stylized IDM), or you deconstruct the term 'innovation' to find its dependence on the term 'standard' and reverse the order so that what was once standard becomes the new innovation (?). Led Zeppelin, anyone? :-) jeff

2005-02-10 16:42CoryThat is not innovation it's pushing to extremes. just because a medium has been explored d

From:: Cory <myo.sound@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:42:24 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

That is not innovation it's pushing to extremes. just because a medium has been explored does not mean it has no capacity for innovation. we have just barely; in the last 7 or 8 years-- scratched the surface of software based music. We now have, at our disposal, at any time, every conceived synthesis method and every single recorded sound at our disposal for music creation. "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." - Toffler ------------------------------------- audio @ http://www.myspace.com/myo On Feb 10, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 8 lines The thing about being cutting edge is that you start to run out of

> > The thing about being cutting edge is that you start to run out of > ways to innovate. Now that we've got music based on distortion so > pervasive that it's just modulated square waves, and beats cut up to > the point that they oscillate in the low audio range, fake modular > synths on our computers that rivals Hans Zimmer's Wall Of Moog, and > samples so warped, stretched, and pitched they sound like radios tuned > between stations, where do you go from here?

2005-02-10 20:24Nathan Juddwouldn't they think the guitars in come to daddy are real though? that's my experience any

From:: Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:24:29 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

wouldn't they think the guitars in come to daddy are real though? that's my experience anyway. I remember in high school it got to the second track (flim) and my friend was like "aphex twin is electronic?" I guess he thought it was the latest industrial band. ----- Original Message ----- From: "beatsploitation" <anatomist@beatsploitation.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

quoted 87 lines electronica mostly,

> electronica mostly, > > electronic music sometimes, > > or when speaking to skaters and emo crews.. > glitchy bleepy clicky stuff > ...baffled silence... > you know warp records n stuff > ...baffled silence... > aphex twin? > ...baffled silence... > that video with freaky head on kiddies bodies.. > > light bulb clicks on ....oh that shit... it's got no guitars or words and > the drums are crap, right? > > cheers > neil. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > www.machine-records.com > have you voted yet? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wownflutter [mailto:wownflutter@yahoo.com] > Sent: 10 February 2005 19:27 > To: Paul Thomas; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > > What do the Brits call this kind of music, then? > > > --- Paul Thomas <paul@scansafe.net> wrote: > >> >There is no reason for personal names to a genre >> called globally IDM. >> >> I think you misuse the word globally here. The term >> IDM is not used in the >> UK, apart from British people on the internet >> communicating with Americans, >> as far as I'm aware. >> >> But whatever. It's a rubbish label for music and >> labels for music are >> rubbish. >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-10 20:41ed chas anyone heard the mike patton/dillinger escape plan version of that song, its pretty ba

From:: ed c <echurch86@yahoo.com>
To:: Indigo Danelions Merrygolds <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:41:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM
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has anyone heard the mike patton/dillinger escape plan version of that song, its pretty bad ass Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com> wrote:wouldn't they think the guitars in come to daddy are real though? that's my experience anyway. I remember in high school it got to the second track (flim) and my friend was like "aphex twin is electronic?" I guess he thought it was the latest industrial band. ----- Original Message ----- From: "beatsploitation" To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

quoted 36 lines electronica mostly,

> electronica mostly, > > electronic music sometimes, > > or when speaking to skaters and emo crews.. > glitchy bleepy clicky stuff > ...baffled silence... > you know warp records n stuff > ...baffled silence... > aphex twin? > ...baffled silence... > that video with freaky head on kiddies bodies.. > > light bulb clicks on ....oh that shit... it's got no guitars or words and > the drums are crap, right? > > cheers > neil. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > www.machine-records.com > have you voted yet? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wownflutter [mailto:wownflutter@yahoo.com] > Sent: 10 February 2005 19:27 > To: Paul Thomas; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > > What do the Brits call this kind of music, then? > > > --- Paul Thomas

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quoted 51 lines There is no reason for personal names to a genre

> >> >There is no reason for personal names to a genre >> called globally IDM. >> >> I think you misuse the word globally here. The term >> IDM is not used in the >> UK, apart from British people on the internet >> communicating with Americans, >> as far as I'm aware. >> >> But whatever. It's a rubbish label for music and >> labels for music are >> rubbish. >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2005-02-10 20:41rickreaction"Come to Daddy" was also covered by Dillinger Escape Plan with Mike Patton. I'm not a fan

From:: rickreaction <rickreaction@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:41:40 -0500
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"Come to Daddy" was also covered by Dillinger Escape Plan with Mike Patton. I'm not a fan of it, but I'm sure these people you've put labels on (insert Fozzie Bear sayin' "wokka wokka" here) would surely get that reference. On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:24:29 -0600, Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 30 lines wouldn't they think the guitars in come to daddy are real though? that's my

> wouldn't they think the guitars in come to daddy are real though? that's my > experience anyway. I remember in high school it got to the second track > (flim) and my friend was like "aphex twin is electronic?" I guess he thought > it was the latest industrial band. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beatsploitation" <anatomist@beatsploitation.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:35 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM > > > electronica mostly, > > > > electronic music sometimes, > > > > or when speaking to skaters and emo crews.. > > glitchy bleepy clicky stuff > > ...baffled silence... > > you know warp records n stuff > > ...baffled silence... > > aphex twin? > > ...baffled silence... > > that video with freaky head on kiddies bodies.. > > > > light bulb clicks on ....oh that shit... it's got no guitars or words and > > the drums are crap, right? > > > > cheers > > neil. > >> > To: Paul Thomas; id

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2005-02-10 21:12JasonFirst IDM? http://www.filmcement.org/rummage/archives/000080.html Simon said: If you think

From:: Jason <jason@mercerfriendly.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:12:08 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Referring to IDM as IDM

First IDM? http://www.filmcement.org/rummage/archives/000080.html Simon said: If you think about it, in this day and age, the most revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2005-02-10 21:20circuit benderhippy casualty ;] bobby brown released a ton of cds, and his voice was massive..... Jason

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Date:: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:20:17 -0800 (PST)
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hippy casualty ;] bobby brown released a ton of cds, and his voice was massive..... Jason <jason@mercerfriendly.com> wrote: First IDM? http://www.filmcement.org/rummage/archives/000080.html Simon said: If you think about it, in this day and age, the most revolutionary thing you can do is play acoustic instruments without amplification -- everything else is, effectively, electronic music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'