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Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". - David

Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the country).* Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get her music heard. I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 6 lines Reference: > Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 > > I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". > > - David >

Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 15 lines Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not exist

> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not exist > if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the country).* > Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get her > music heard. > I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 >> >> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". >> >> - David >> >

I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything else. To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 20 lines Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6

> Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not exist >> if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the country).* >> Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get >> her music heard. >> I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. >> >> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 >>> >>> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". >>> >>> - David >>> >>

Happy 30th birthday to this conversation.

quoted 20 lines On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote: > > I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything else. > > To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. > > On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com <mailto:cexwell@gmail.com>> wrote: > Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com <mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>> wrote: > Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place (out of the country). > Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get her music heard. > I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com <mailto:g3scom@gmail.com>> wrote: > Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 <https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626> > > I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". > > - David

"a toxic way to view the art" 💀 does anyone have any recommendations for good Midwit Dance Music artists/albums??

Literally the oldest message in the archive is: From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 22:07:08 -0500 Subject: Can Dumb People Enjoy IDM, Too? Brian (suddenly nostalgic for email addresses with more than one dot in them) On Thu, 5 May 2022, Eric Sorenson wrote:

quoted 26 lines Happy 30th birthday to this conversation.

> Happy 30th birthday to this conversation. > > On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote: > > I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As far as I'm concerned IDM is > just that, and doesn't translate to anything else. > To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. > > On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: > Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place (out of the country). > Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get her music heard. > I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: > Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 > > I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore".  > > - David > > > >

Neat On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 1:33 PM Brian Behlendorf <brian@behlendorf.com> wrote:

quoted 45 lines Literally the oldest message in the archive is:

> > Literally the oldest message in the archive is: > > From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders) > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 93 22:07:08 -0500 > Subject: Can Dumb People Enjoy IDM, Too? > > Brian (suddenly nostalgic for email addresses with more than one dot in > them) > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, Eric Sorenson wrote: > > Happy 30th birthday to this conversation. > > > > On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and > that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As > far as I'm concerned IDM is > > just that, and doesn't translate to anything else. > > To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often > classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. > > > > On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might > not exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place (out of the country). > > Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get > her music heard. > > I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: > > Reference: > https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 > > > > I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". > > > > - David > > > > > > > >

Hey at least we're all talking. 😂 On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 12:35 PM Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote:

quoted 36 lines Happy 30th birthday to this conversation.

> Happy 30th birthday to this conversation. > > On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote: > > I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and > that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As > far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything > else. > > To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often > classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. > > On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 >> >> On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not >>> exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the >>> country).* >>> Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get >>> her music heard. >>> I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. >>> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 >>>> >>>> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". >>>> >>>> - David >>>> >>> >

The « jazz » statement seems like the « electronic music » compulsory figure. I mean any Roland-based dumb track always claimed some doubtful jazz legacy. But making jazz takes more than striking a 7th chord or shuffling a MIDI clip. « Classically trained » ? Richard Devine and Kirk Degiorgio come to mind, however formal training doesn't sound like the IDM™ to my ears. I didn't comment on the praises i've read here about Mike Paradinas a few days ago, but this is nauseous breakbeat-opportunistic piss-poor polyphony to me (i had the right to remain silent and, as you can tell, i used it wisely). Not everybody is Kettel. If IDM is « classically trained », would you say that « classic dance music » is not ? Quite the opposite, in my opinion. More often than not, « electronic music » seems to seek some respectability, much like spoiled children shitty « house producers » from the 90s wanted to appear as the next Berry Gordy. « Justified and ancient », as the KLF used to say. Do jazz musicians claim that they achieve counterpoint mastery ? Hell no, they humbly play their part (which incidentally takes up all of their lifetime). I've always found that ubiquitous « techno-jazz » statement embarrassing — or is it just marketing ? I must admit that this SONCAS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONCAS> discovery was quite questioning to me. Are we just hipsters ? I don't think so. But i find the « electronic music » inability to face up to itself quite worrying. Time will sort it out. On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 7:34 PM Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 31 lines I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and

> I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and > that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As > far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything > else. > > To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often > classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. > > On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 >> >> On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not >>> exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the >>> country).* >>> Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get >>> her music heard. >>> I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. >>> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 >>>> >>>> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". >>>> >>>> - David >>>> >>>

I mean, IDM is so amorphous a term that many of my favorite IDM artists could also be labelled other genres as well. Amon Tobin could be trip hop Squarepusher could be break beat Loscil could be ambient I've actually moved on from IDM to New Cumbia with the likes of Reple, Uruba Marinka, El Peche and Meraki, all from the Sonido Tropico label. The tech wizardry in IDM was an amazing thing to behold, but I find myself drawn more and more to south American bears with a more melodic theme. On Thu., May 5, 2022, 2:27 p.m. Laurent Knauth, <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 67 lines The « jazz » statement seems like the « electronic music » compulsory

> The « jazz » statement seems like the « electronic music » compulsory > figure. > I mean any Roland-based dumb track always claimed some doubtful jazz > legacy. > But making jazz takes more than striking a 7th chord or shuffling a MIDI > clip. > > « Classically trained » ? Richard Devine and Kirk Degiorgio come to mind, > however formal training doesn't sound like the IDM™ to my ears. > I didn't comment on the praises i've read here about Mike Paradinas a few > days ago, but this is nauseous breakbeat-opportunistic piss-poor polyphony > to me (i had the right to remain silent and, as you can tell, i used it > wisely). > Not everybody is Kettel. > > If IDM is « classically trained », would you say that « classic dance > music » is not ? Quite the opposite, in my opinion. > More often than not, « electronic music » seems to seek some > respectability, much like spoiled children shitty « house producers » from > the 90s wanted to appear as the next Berry Gordy. > « Justified and ancient », as the KLF used to say. > Do jazz musicians claim that they achieve counterpoint mastery ? Hell no, > they humbly play their part (which incidentally takes up all of their > lifetime). > > I've always found that ubiquitous « techno-jazz » statement embarrassing — > or is it just marketing ? > I must admit that this SONCAS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONCAS> > discovery was quite questioning to me. > Are we just hipsters ? I don't think so. But i find the « electronic music > » inability to face up to itself quite worrying. > Time will sort it out. > > On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 7:34 PM Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and >> that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As >> far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything >> else. >> >> To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often >> classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. >> >> On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 >>> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not >>>> exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the >>>> country).* >>>> Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get >>>> her music heard. >>>> I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above instead. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Reference: https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 >>>>> >>>>> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". >>>>> >>>>> - David >>>>> >>>>

I agree with you on this : the day when i realised that mostly only melodic material (rather than cascading stutter effects) was eventually memorable to me was quite disruptive. Like everyone here i guess, i remain a little obsessed with unheard tones, although all these years listening to synthetic timbres allowed listening to acoustic music to be an unexpected experience as well (sometimes). On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:00 AM Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 85 lines I mean, IDM is so amorphous a term that many of my favorite IDM artists

> I mean, IDM is so amorphous a term that many of my favorite IDM artists > could also be labelled other genres as well. > > Amon Tobin could be trip hop > Squarepusher could be break beat > Loscil could be ambient > > I've actually moved on from IDM to New Cumbia with the likes of Reple, > Uruba Marinka, El Peche and Meraki, all from the Sonido Tropico label. The > tech wizardry in IDM was an amazing thing to behold, but I find myself > drawn more and more to south American bears with a more melodic theme. > > On Thu., May 5, 2022, 2:27 p.m. Laurent Knauth, <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The « jazz » statement seems like the « electronic music » compulsory >> figure. >> I mean any Roland-based dumb track always claimed some doubtful jazz >> legacy. >> But making jazz takes more than striking a 7th chord or shuffling a MIDI >> clip. >> >> « Classically trained » ? Richard Devine and Kirk Degiorgio come to mind, >> however formal training doesn't sound like the IDM™ to my ears. >> I didn't comment on the praises i've read here about Mike Paradinas a few >> days ago, but this is nauseous breakbeat-opportunistic piss-poor polyphony >> to me (i had the right to remain silent and, as you can tell, i used it >> wisely). >> Not everybody is Kettel. >> >> If IDM is « classically trained », would you say that « classic dance >> music » is not ? Quite the opposite, in my opinion. >> More often than not, « electronic music » seems to seek some >> respectability, much like spoiled children shitty « house producers » from >> the 90s wanted to appear as the next Berry Gordy. >> « Justified and ancient », as the KLF used to say. >> Do jazz musicians claim that they achieve counterpoint mastery ? Hell no, >> they humbly play their part (which incidentally takes up all of their >> lifetime). >> >> I've always found that ubiquitous « techno-jazz » statement embarrassing >> — or is it just marketing ? >> I must admit that this SONCAS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONCAS> >> discovery was quite questioning to me. >> Are we just hipsters ? I don't think so. But i find the « electronic >> music » inability to face up to itself quite worrying. >> Time will sort it out. >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 7:34 PM Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and >>> that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As >>> far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything >>> else. >>> >>> To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often >>> classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica. >>> >>> On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6 >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not >>>>> exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the >>>>> country).* >>>>> Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get >>>>> her music heard. >>>>> I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above >>>>> instead. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Reference: >>>>>> https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626 >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore". >>>>>> >>>>>> - David >>>>>> >>>>>