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2004-11-08 21:02Adam PiontekWhich is the better argument? I think the Mac vs PC argument is better than the 'Digital v

From:: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:02:57 -0500
Subject:: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'

Which is the better argument? I think the Mac vs PC argument is better than the 'Digital vs Analog' argument, for a number of reasons: 1) We've had the 'digital vs analog' argument a number of times on this list, about types of music, types of media, etc. It's pretty old, and annoying to see the same ground retread over and over. The 'mac vs pc' argument comes up less often and is therefore kept fresher. 2) The 'digital vs analog' isn't so political, so it doesn't have as many harsh emotions attached to it. It doesn't get as heated and people are more quick to "agree to disagree." This makes it boring. Oh, and anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid baldy. Yeah, you heard me, bald people! You're stupid! Having hair is so much better than being bald. -Adam. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-08 23:07Robert Feuchtlthat was needed rob (the long haired hippie) p.s. I think ASCII is way cooler then HTML-fo

From:: Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de>
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Date:: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:07:38 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'
Reply to:: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'

that was needed rob (the long haired hippie) p.s. I think ASCII is way cooler then HTML-formatted email. Adam Piontek wrote:

quoted 27 lines Which is the better argument?

> Which is the better argument? > > I think the Mac vs PC argument is better than the 'Digital vs Analog' > argument, for a number of reasons: > > 1) We've had the 'digital vs analog' argument a number of times on > this list, about types of music, types of media, etc. It's pretty > old, and annoying to see the same ground retread over and over. The > 'mac vs pc' argument comes up less often and is therefore kept fresher. > > 2) The 'digital vs analog' isn't so political, so it doesn't have as > many harsh emotions attached to it. It doesn't get as heated and > people are more quick to "agree to disagree." This makes it boring. > > Oh, and anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid baldy. > > Yeah, you heard me, bald people! You're stupid! Having hair is so > much better than being bald. > > -Adam. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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2004-11-09 08:25n3wjackOn Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:07:38 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote: > > that wa

From:: n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:25:54 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'
Reply to:: Re: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:07:38 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote:

quoted 7 lines that was needed

> > that was needed > > rob (the long haired hippie) > > p.s. > I think ASCII is way cooler then HTML-formatted email.

But it is!! HTML mail sucks because: - it takes up extra bandwith - not all mailers support it, or render it in the same way - it allows numerous exploits - some people really manage to create awfull looking emails which make me want to stab out my eyes in horror :) -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-09 08:58qwertywow, if i know this would bring such a flame on the list i would never wrote that. hm, i l

From:: qwerty <miro.merlak@vip.hr>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:58:55 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'

wow, if i know this would bring such a flame on the list i would never wrote that. hm, i like analog better. you like digital. who cares.. it's just that i've been reading that article on the IRDIAL site that day and i got excited about it.. so i just copy/pasted it form there... and i think electronic music would be waaaay better if there were more labels like irdial. much much much respect to the irdial! www.irdial.com peace miro -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Still available : 'SPLEEN' album on Phthalo Record Label (PH31). Buy here : www.phthalo.com (+more from Vladislav Delay,Dntel,Daedelus, Kit Clayton,Low Res,Mark Gage,Phthalocyanine,Terminal 11,OST,Wobbly, 8FM,Blectum From Blechdom,Robert Merlak and many more) Out soon : 'The Sorrows Of Young Qwerther' on Piehead Records (pie035). www.pieheadrecords.com (+ more stuff from Matmos,VVm,Accelera Deck, Andrew Duke,Multiplex,David Kristian and many more) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRIKLJUCAK // electronic music emissions // http://prikljucak.mi2.hr THURSDAYS AT 23:00 (CET) ON RADIO RIJEKA. TUNE IN AT 95.1 / 100.3 / 102.7 / 104.7 MHz FM OR GOTO WEBCAST AT : http://www.hrt.hr/streams/rijeka.ram ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-09 10:05thorsten Sideb0ard> and i think electronic music would be waaaay better if there > were more labels like ird

From:: thorsten Sideb0ard <thorsten@highpointlowlife.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 02:05:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog'
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quoted 4 lines and i think electronic music would be waaaay better if there

> and i think electronic music would be waaaay better if there > were more labels like irdial. > much much much respect to the irdial! > www.irdial.com

Actually, i think their actions are pretty questionable and sounds like they are just trying to make a buck of someone elses work: http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,63952,00.html -thor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-09 12:51Robert Feuchtlanalog vs. digital??? everybody re-focus on objectivity now pleeease :) and read here 1st!

From:: Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de>
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Date:: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:51:01 +0100
Subject:: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog' ENDS HERE
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analog vs. digital??? everybody re-focus on objectivity now pleeease :) and read here 1st! you may find out somehting about you here >>> http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/D035BAA5D245F6B9862567DF001914F2 .... regardless of the above topic: we don´t really have a "digital" or "analog" problem with our music. the biggest problem is brickwall limiting. 80% of the music that is issued today on CDs has just no depth and imaging. its plastic. that has nothing to do with analog or digital. it has to do with having the balls to make a "not so loud but fat or being a wimp and making a very loud but flat"-recording. robert -- B O B H U M I D @ G R O O V E M A G A Z I N E ( t e c h n o l o g i c a l _ e d i t o r ) servicelinks: http://www.groove.de http://www.coad.to --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-09 13:10n3wjackhehe, good article/rant, I've probably seen al those topics fly by on various production b

From:: n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:10:25 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] 'mac vs pc' vs 'digital vs analog' ENDS HERE
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hehe, good article/rant, I've probably seen al those topics fly by on various production boards/lists before :) looks like there's more interesting production related stuff on that site... maybe I'll find the time to read em some day... On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:51:01 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote:

quoted 36 lines analog vs. digital???

> > analog vs. digital??? > > everybody re-focus on objectivity now pleeease :) and read here 1st! you may > find out somehting about you here >>> > > http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/D035BAA5D245F6B9862567DF001914F2 > > .... > > regardless of the above topic: > > we don´t really have a "digital" or "analog" problem with > our music. the biggest problem is brickwall limiting. 80% of the music > that is > issued today on CDs has just no depth and imaging. its plastic. that has > nothing > to do with analog or digital. it has to do with having the balls to make > a "not so > loud but fat or being a wimp and making a very loud but flat"-recording. > > robert > > -- > B O B H U M I D @ G R O O V E M A G A Z I N E > ( t e c h n o l o g i c a l _ e d i t o r ) > > servicelinks: > http://www.groove.de > http://www.coad.to > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-11-09 16:27seek----- Original Message ----- From: "thorsten Sideb0ard" > > and i think electronic music w

From:: seek <eclectics@comcast.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:27:05 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Irdial vs Wilco vs Ice Cream Conet Project Remix Session

----- Original Message ----- From: "thorsten Sideb0ard"

quoted 4 lines and i think electronic music would be waaaay better if there

> > and i think electronic music would be waaaay better if there > > were more labels like irdial. > > much much much respect to the irdial! > > www.irdial.com

quoted 3 lines Actually, i think their actions are pretty questionable and sounds like

> Actually, i think their actions are pretty questionable and sounds like > they are just trying to make a buck of someone elses work: > http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,63952,00.html

Yeah, that was a lame-o move on Irdial's part: "In 1998, London-based Irdial-Discs put out a four-CD collection of broadcasts from so-called numbers stations -- mysterious shortwave transmissions, allegedly sent by the worlds' intelligence agencies, of monotone readers spewing alphanumeric streams. On the first of the discs, a woman in an indecipherable accent -- a Mossad agent, according to legend -- keeps repeating three words: "Yankee ... hotel ... foxtrot." It's the same recording that loops for a minute and a half during "Poor Places," the 10th track on Wilco's 2002 album. After a two-year legal fight, Tweedy agreed in an out-of-court settlement to give Akin Fernandez, Irdial's owner and sole employee, a substantial royalty for the recording. It's unclear whether Fernandez even recorded the "Yankee" shortwave broadcast himself. Simon Mason, a spycast enthusiast and author of Secret Signals: The Euronumbers Mystery, said he gave Fernandez the captured transmission -- one of many -- in an informal deal. "All that money I could have made if I had copyrighted them!" Mason wrote. "Since I gave Akin the recordings willingly for nothing, I don't have any come back. But in hindsight I would have come to some sort of deal that meant I would get a cut, but life is too short to get upset about it now."" Washington Post article about the Conet Project: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35647-2004Aug2.html (courtesy of David Hodgson, Playing By Ear.) On a related Conet note: can anyone reveal the source for the 'Conet Project Remix Session' for us? I've passed a few dozen copies of that one around (some of them to idm list members), and would love more info re: that recording from anyone out there. Also, if anyone would like a copy/burn of the 'Conet Project Remix Session', see me for more info. (And take ~that~, Irdial! ;)) seek np: Machinedrum - Bidnezz (on the mighty Merck of Miami) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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