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2004-10-24 20:49Albers, Brian [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
└─ 2004-10-25 00:21Alan Lucas Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
├─ 2004-10-25 00:30Adam Piontek Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
└─ 2004-10-25 01:19John/Slackonomics Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
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└─ 2004-10-25 21:49Shane Huddleston Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
└─ 2004-10-25 23:16Adam Piontek Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
├─ 2004-10-25 23:26Shane Huddleston Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
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├─ 2004-10-25 23:28Alan Lucas Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
│ ├─ 2004-10-26 13:48Adam Piontek Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
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│ └─ 2004-10-26 18:21Adam Piontek Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod - new ipods today
└─ 2004-10-26 09:32Neil Walsh Re: [idm] (OT) shopping for an Ipod
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2004-10-24 20:49Albers, BrianI think I'm finally gonna break down and pick me up an Ipod. Anybody know any websites wit
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I think I'm finally gonna break down and pick me up an Ipod. Anybody know any websites with a good price for a 40G? I was gonna go Ebay, but they end up being $375US or so, which is only slightly less than the $400 price at the stores. I'm new to all this- What's the difference between 3rd and 4th generation? I'm not gonna wait for the 60G because as it is now I've got 35G in my Mac which is only about 1/2 my cds (encoded as AAC which is slightly smaller than mp3), so I'll end up needing two eventually. Any accessories that I should consider? Thanks for the advice. Brian.
2004-10-25 00:21Alan LucasHeh... you should consider a PC and a Creative player. I have a Zen that was initially a 3
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Heh... you should consider a PC and a Creative player. I have a Zen that was initially a 30gb HD (purchased new last year for $255, now you can get the 60gb model for just $319), but I threw a 60gb drive in there for only another $115. And I can swap the battery myself. The Creative players are slightly bigger, and admittedly not as stylish, but the sound quality is better and they're infinitely easier to mess around with. I read somewhere about getting them to work on a Mac (on nomadness.net, I think), but I can't find drivers anywhere. Geez. A 60gb iPod will probably run... $600? On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:49:12 -0500, Albers, Brian <balbers@premiereradio.com> wrote:
quoted 11 lines I think I'm finally gonna break down and pick me up an Ipod.> I think I'm finally gonna break down and pick me up an Ipod. > > Anybody know any websites with a good price for a 40G? I was gonna go Ebay, but they end up being $375US or so, which is only slightly less than the $400 price at the stores. > > I'm new to all this- What's the difference between 3rd and 4th generation? I'm not gonna wait for the 60G because as it is now I've got 35G in my Mac which is only about 1/2 my cds (encoded as AAC which is slightly smaller than mp3), so I'll end up needing two eventually. > > Any accessories that I should consider? > > Thanks for the advice. Brian. > >
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2004-10-25 00:30Adam PiontekI have an iPod mini and it's a breeze. I have no complaints. Can't give advice on where to
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I have an iPod mini and it's a breeze. I have no complaints. Can't give advice on where to get cheaper prices, but if you're interested in accessory suggestions, I can't live without my Griffin iTrip to broadcast on FM... I also use it instead of a USB flash drive to carry my files around, since I always have it with me anyway. -adam piontek On Oct 24, 2004, at 8:21 PM, Alan Lucas wrote:
quoted 37 lines Heh... you should consider a PC and a Creative player. I have a Zen> Heh... you should consider a PC and a Creative player. I have a Zen > that was initially a 30gb HD (purchased new last year for $255, now > you can get the 60gb model for just $319), but I threw a 60gb drive in > there for only another $115. And I can swap the battery myself. > > The Creative players are slightly bigger, and admittedly not as > stylish, but the sound quality is better and they're infinitely easier > to mess around with. I read somewhere about getting them to work on a > Mac (on nomadness.net, I think), but I can't find drivers anywhere. > > Geez. A 60gb iPod will probably run... $600? > > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:49:12 -0500, Albers, Brian > <balbers@premiereradio.com> wrote: >> I think I'm finally gonna break down and pick me up an Ipod. >> >> Anybody know any websites with a good price for a 40G? I was gonna go >> Ebay, but they end up being $375US or so, which is only slightly less >> than the $400 price at the stores. >> >> I'm new to all this- What's the difference between 3rd and 4th >> generation? I'm not gonna wait for the 60G because as it is now I've >> got 35G in my Mac which is only about 1/2 my cds (encoded as AAC >> which is slightly smaller than mp3), so I'll end up needing two >> eventually. >> >> Any accessories that I should consider? >> >> Thanks for the advice. Brian. >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-10-25 01:19John/SlackonomicsOn Oct 24, 2004, at 7:21 PM, Alan Lucas wrote: > Heh... you should consider a PC and a Cre
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On Oct 24, 2004, at 7:21 PM, Alan Lucas wrote:
quoted 11 lines Heh... you should consider a PC and a Creative player. I have a Zen> Heh... you should consider a PC and a Creative player. I have a Zen > that was initially a 30gb HD (purchased new last year for $255, now > you can get the 60gb model for just $319), but I threw a 60gb drive in > there for only another $115. And I can swap the battery myself. > > The Creative players are slightly bigger, and admittedly not as > stylish, but the sound quality is better and they're infinitely easier > to mess around with. I read somewhere about getting them to work on a > Mac (on nomadness.net, I think), but I can't find drivers anywhere. > > Geez. A 60gb iPod will probably run... $600?
The top-of-the-line iPod is only $399. Secondly, the rumored 60 gb iPod is supposed to have video/color screen, which will affect the cost, and no, it won't be $600. It will probably be $499, but that's speculation. Thirdly, the Creative players do not have better sound quality (Tom's Hardware gave them about an even: http://www20.tomshardware.com/mobile/20041007/creative_labs_zen_touch -03.html ). Nor do they have as good an interface/ease-of-use (no scrollwheel?? yeck.. oh, and the layout looks like a complete ripoff of the iPod to boot). I don't think there is anything that comes close to the iTunes/iPod combo in terms of ease-of-use with regard to cataloging, playing, burning, importing, ripping and especially synchronizing on either platform. Combine this with the fact that iTunes Music Store is built-in, and is by far the most popular legal music store (with something around 60-70% of the market!)... there's a *reason* the iPod and iTunes Music Store are the most popular in their respective categories. Oh, and the iPod battery is user-swappable as well. -- Mr. Tangent [the binary police] www.mrtangent.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-25 15:51John/SlackonomicsOn Oct 24, 2004, at 10:03 PM, Alan Lucas wrote: > Sorry, but there's just no arguing the s
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On Oct 24, 2004, at 10:03 PM, Alan Lucas wrote:
quoted 4 lines Sorry, but there's just no arguing the sound quality. The Creative> Sorry, but there's just no arguing the sound quality. The Creative > players have better sound quality than iPods. It's not a question of > opinion. The hardware is just better. The Creative's are 98db SNR. > Apple doesn't provide that information. I wonder why that might be...
Heh, you say it's not a question of opinion yet you don't even know the SNR of the Apple. Without knowing the SNR of the iPod, you're simply stating your opinion. The choice of headphones also are a consideration. Several other review sites give them equal reviews with regard to sound quality, so I'm inclined to believe them. -- Mr. Tangent [the binary police] www.mrtangent.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-25 21:49Shane HuddlestonHow do all the iPod fans tolerate the lack of gapless playback? I consider iPods to be bro
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How do all the iPod fans tolerate the lack of gapless playback? I consider iPods to be broken out of the box for that reason alone and simply couldn't use one without throwing it out the bus window within 5 or 10 minutes. Or, has Apple fixed that recently? My money's on the Rio Karma. It has it's flaws (doesn't everything) but has perfect gapless playback for MP3 and WMA and fully supports all features of OGG and FLAC formats. Also cool is that the docking station supports ethernet so you can just pop your player on any standing network and access from any machine. Complaints: can't mount it as a drive in Windows Explorer (or OSX/Linux): non-music file transfers have to be done with proprietary RioTaxi software. Also, there's only a 20GB version so far. Something bigger is on the way, but probably not until 2005. -Shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-25 23:16Adam PiontekIt's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes, hardware design, easy cr
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It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes, hardware design, easy cross-platform external storage) makes it up for me. It'd be nice if they'd do gapless, but I just plain don't really care. And I had actually thought I'd be too annoyed by it, but I'm not. Ogg/FLAC? Don't have any. Well, OK, I have some Oggs from when I went through my Ogg phase a couple years ago, but I just transcode them to m4a. In fact, I transcode all my MP3s that are greater than 128k too, because they get much smaller and I can fit more music on my puny mini. Sure, Ogg can be small, too, but I think even if every other player supported Ogg, I'd still go with an iPod for the ease of use and iTunes. Until the competitors' software was as good as it. As of now, I don't think there's anybody that matches iTunes for goodness. The Rio Karma seems like one of the best of the competitors, but it lacks too much, if you ask me. The complaints you mention are deal-breakers for me, and I'd add the interface design as being pretty lacking, too. That all being said, I'd love for somebody to release a real valid competitor to the iPod just so Apple has some good competition. The key is matching iTunes, and making file transfers easy. And probably the click-wheel at this point... seems the only way to go. Aside from "style", I think those are the real reasons people buy the iPod. -adamp On Oct 25, 2004, at 5:49 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote:
quoted 22 lines How do all the iPod fans tolerate the lack of gapless playback? I> How do all the iPod fans tolerate the lack of gapless playback? I > consider iPods to be broken out of the box for that reason alone and > simply couldn't use one without throwing it out the bus window within > 5 or 10 minutes. Or, has Apple fixed that recently? > > My money's on the Rio Karma. It has it's flaws (doesn't everything) > but has perfect gapless playback for MP3 and WMA and fully supports > all features of OGG and FLAC formats. Also cool is that the docking > station supports ethernet so you can just pop your player on any > standing network and access from any machine. > > Complaints: can't mount it as a drive in Windows Explorer (or > OSX/Linux): non-music file transfers have to be done with proprietary > RioTaxi software. Also, there's only a 20GB version so far. Something > bigger is on the way, but probably not until 2005. > > -Shane > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-10-25 23:26Shane HuddlestonInteresting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma interface is great, for wha
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Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma interface is great, for what it's worth. Maybe it's not as "intuitive" but after 10 minutes of fiddling with it you get past that. This question derails the thread a tad, but what exactly is the point/coolness of iTunes? Isn't it just a store where you can buy AACs/MP3s? I've never bothered to install it because I wanted to be able to browse the selection of music before installing such a huge program. I've learned the hard way from installing crap like RealOne and having it take over my computer. Maybe I'm totally missing out on something important. I'm not being ironic here... seriously, what would I want iTunes for? Especially if I don't have an iPod. -Shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-26 00:58Tim MooreOn Oct 25, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote: > Interesting. Different strokes, I g
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On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote:
quoted 15 lines Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma> Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma > interface is great, for what it's worth. Maybe it's not as "intuitive" > but after 10 minutes of fiddling with it you get past that. > > This question derails the thread a tad, but what exactly is the > point/coolness of iTunes? Isn't it just a store where you can buy > AACs/MP3s? I've never bothered to install it because I wanted to be > able to browse the selection of music before installing such a huge > program. I've learned the hard way from installing crap like RealOne > and having it take over my computer. > > Maybe I'm totally missing out on something important. I'm not being > ironic here... seriously, what would I want iTunes for? Especially if > I don't have an iPod. >
I don't really buy stuff from the iTunes store, so I don't even think of the program in that way. For me, the appeal is that it is simply the best tool I have found for managing a large library of music. I know that a lot of people have cobbled together custom scripts to do this themselves, and if you've got the expertise, time and inclination, that may offer you more power. But iTunes makes it really easy off the shelf, and gives you a decent amount of power with things like Smart Playlists and the ability to use AppleScripts or COM automation to fill in the gaps. I think the whole experience is a lot better on the Mac, where it's really well integrated with the rest of the system, than on Windows where it doesn't fit in as well. But even on Windows, I haven't found a better program for managing large libraries. I used to dislike tools that tried to take ownership of my music collection (organizing the file structure, tags, etc) because they didn't do it very well. Now with iTunes I wouldn't have it any other way. -- Tim Moore --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-27 01:13xenlab.ezrpmI second iTunes for managing a large music collection. You can even turn off the iTunes mu
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I second iTunes for managing a large music collection. You can even turn off the iTunes music store so it doesn't take screen realestate. I also use a plugin called now playing that dumps my current song in iTunes to an XML file. It even uploads a copy to my web server. I then read the xml file into my blog template and amuse myself by seeing what I'm playing show up on my site. I'm still looking for an easy way to shoutcast what I'm playing in iTunes so that you can click the name of the track on my site and start listenting to my stream instantly. I found a free shoutcast server on AnalogX.com but from what I can tell it only works with Winamp. Give iTunes a shot at your collection - it's the fucking bee's knees and pollen stuck there in. mad love, .eric * * *xenlab (music) { * / .nfo + d.load =/ http://xenlab.ezrpm.com/ <http://xenlab.ezrpm.com> *}* Tim Moore wrote:
quoted 35 lines On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote:> > On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote: > >> Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma >> interface is great, for what it's worth. Maybe it's not as "intuitive" >> but after 10 minutes of fiddling with it you get past that. >> >> This question derails the thread a tad, but what exactly is the >> point/coolness of iTunes? Isn't it just a store where you can buy >> AACs/MP3s? I've never bothered to install it because I wanted to be >> able to browse the selection of music before installing such a huge >> program. I've learned the hard way from installing crap like RealOne >> and having it take over my computer. >> >> Maybe I'm totally missing out on something important. I'm not being >> ironic here... seriously, what would I want iTunes for? Especially if >> I don't have an iPod. >> > > I don't really buy stuff from the iTunes store, so I don't even think > of the program in that way. For me, the appeal is that it is simply > the best tool I have found for managing a large library of music. I > know that a lot of people have cobbled together custom scripts to do > this themselves, and if you've got the expertise, time and > inclination, that may offer you more power. But iTunes makes it really > easy off the shelf, and gives you a decent amount of power with things > like Smart Playlists and the ability to use AppleScripts or COM > automation to fill in the gaps. I think the whole experience is a lot > better on the Mac, where it's really well integrated with the rest of > the system, than on Windows where it doesn't fit in as well. But even > on Windows, I haven't found a better program for managing large > libraries. I used to dislike tools that tried to take ownership of my > music collection (organizing the file structure, tags, etc) because > they didn't do it very well. Now with iTunes I wouldn't have it any > other way.
2004-10-28 19:09dj piei have a dell digital jukebox, and i love it. it was far cheaper than the comparable 20gb
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i have a dell digital jukebox, and i love it. it was far cheaper than the comparable 20gb ipod, and with the $20 3rd party software from red chair (dudebox), it works fantastically with my PCs. i can update ID3 tags and recategorize music just by dragging and dropping into folders with the explorer-type interface. also, it fits perfectly in my robot cupholder, and works with either the FM transmitter or the cassette adapter in the car. it is shiny matte aluminum, and feels good and solid, nearly indestructible. ipods are pretty, but i personally didn't like the jogwheel, it confused me. i prefer the little scrollywheel that the jukebox has. -rachel -- [gilmore] i think Kerry could win if he just promised to get Halo2 out on time. http://piesarenice.net funkier than you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-29 16:44jessicaA program you can use to broadcast your iTunes: http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ it ev
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A program you can use to broadcast your iTunes: http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ it even has a built in streaming server so you can use it to broadcast directly from your Mac, or you can broadcast to another Shoutcast or Icecast server. I've been using it since February for my webcast, and have had no complaints thus far. Jessica -- http://junkast.org xenlab.ezrpm wrote:
quoted 65 lines I second iTunes for managing a large music collection. You can even turn> I second iTunes for managing a large music collection. You can even turn > off the iTunes music store so it doesn't take screen realestate. I also > use a plugin called now playing that dumps my current song in iTunes to > an XML file. It even uploads a copy to my web server. I then read the > xml file into my blog template and amuse myself by seeing what I'm > playing show up on my site. I'm still looking for an easy way to > shoutcast what I'm playing in iTunes so that you can click the name of > the track on my site and start listenting to my stream instantly. I > found a free shoutcast server on AnalogX.com but from what I can tell it > only works with Winamp. > > Give iTunes a shot at your collection - it's the fucking bee's knees and > pollen stuck there in. > > > > > > mad love, > .eric > * * *xenlab (music) { > * / .nfo + d.load =/ http://xenlab.ezrpm.com/ <http://xenlab.ezrpm.com> > *}* > > > Tim Moore wrote: > >> >> On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote: >> >>> Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma >>> interface is great, for what it's worth. Maybe it's not as "intuitive" >>> but after 10 minutes of fiddling with it you get past that. >>> >>> This question derails the thread a tad, but what exactly is the >>> point/coolness of iTunes? Isn't it just a store where you can buy >>> AACs/MP3s? I've never bothered to install it because I wanted to be >>> able to browse the selection of music before installing such a huge >>> program. I've learned the hard way from installing crap like RealOne >>> and having it take over my computer. >>> >>> Maybe I'm totally missing out on something important. I'm not being >>> ironic here... seriously, what would I want iTunes for? Especially if >>> I don't have an iPod. >>> >> >> I don't really buy stuff from the iTunes store, so I don't even think >> of the program in that way. For me, the appeal is that it is simply >> the best tool I have found for managing a large library of music. I >> know that a lot of people have cobbled together custom scripts to do >> this themselves, and if you've got the expertise, time and >> inclination, that may offer you more power. But iTunes makes it really >> easy off the shelf, and gives you a decent amount of power with things >> like Smart Playlists and the ability to use AppleScripts or COM >> automation to fill in the gaps. I think the whole experience is a lot >> better on the Mac, where it's really well integrated with the rest of >> the system, than on Windows where it doesn't fit in as well. But even >> on Windows, I haven't found a better program for managing large >> libraries. I used to dislike tools that tried to take ownership of my >> music collection (organizing the file structure, tags, etc) because >> they didn't do it very well. Now with iTunes I wouldn't have it any >> other way. > > >
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2004-10-26 12:31Robert FeuchtlShane Huddleston wrote: >Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma >i
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quoted 5 lines Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma>Interesting. Different strokes, I guess. I think the Rio Karma >interface is great, for what it's worth. Maybe it's not as "intuitive" >but after 10 minutes of fiddling with it you get past that. > >
they all work with clients.. i guess for security issues. iTunes in europe is crap, only commercial music available until now.. and apple is really trying hard to get full control over all rights management and is behaving like a bitch to indie-labels. we´ll see if it gets any better, apple now is not like apple 10 years ago. managment is taking far too much cocaine.. leads to egocentric mental states... try www.finetunes.de if you are into better music anyway and if you are located in europe .. the only annoying problem I see is that the "pre-listening music"-function plays the first 15 seconds or so only.. so I know whats all the intros of the tracks, but not the track itself :) robert
quoted 21 lines This question derails the thread a tad, but what exactly is the>This question derails the thread a tad, but what exactly is the >point/coolness of iTunes? Isn't it just a store where you can buy >AACs/MP3s? I've never bothered to install it because I wanted to be >able to browse the selection of music before installing such a huge >program. I've learned the hard way from installing crap like RealOne >and having it take over my computer. > >Maybe I'm totally missing out on something important. I'm not being >ironic here... seriously, what would I want iTunes for? Especially if >I don't have an iPod. > >-Shane > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >
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2004-10-25 23:28Alan LucasI will say that Redchair Software's Notmad Explorer makes using the Zen with the PC pure e
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I will say that Redchair Software's Notmad Explorer makes using the Zen with the PC pure easy. I don't even touch any of the Creative stuff. I know they also have versions for iPods, Dell DJs, Rios, and maybe the iRiver, but of course I haven't used any of those, but I'd expect the features to be similar. I can edit multiple tags for files already on the player, do easy syncs, all kinds of stuff that the included Creative software either couldn't do, or was just so obtuse about. And here's something that I consider an advantage over the iPod - the buttons for the Zen are on the side of the player, so when it's in my pocket, I don't have to look at it, or take it out of my pocket to adjust volume, play/pause, or switch tracks. It seems like some of that would be more difficult for a device where the controls are all on the front. obIDM - a good portion of my IDM collection resides on my Zen. Later, Alan np: DJ /Rupture - Special Gunpowder On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:16:00 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:
quoted 30 lines It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes,> It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes, > hardware design, easy cross-platform external storage) makes it up for > me. It'd be nice if they'd do gapless, but I just plain don't really > care. And I had actually thought I'd be too annoyed by it, but I'm > not. > > Ogg/FLAC? Don't have any. Well, OK, I have some Oggs from when I went > through my Ogg phase a couple years ago, but I just transcode them to > m4a. In fact, I transcode all my MP3s that are greater than 128k too, > because they get much smaller and I can fit more music on my puny mini. > > Sure, Ogg can be small, too, but I think even if every other player > supported Ogg, I'd still go with an iPod for the ease of use and > iTunes. Until the competitors' software was as good as it. As of now, > I don't think there's anybody that matches iTunes for goodness. > > The Rio Karma seems like one of the best of the competitors, but it > lacks too much, if you ask me. The complaints you mention are > deal-breakers for me, and I'd add the interface design as being pretty > lacking, too. > > That all being said, I'd love for somebody to release a real valid > competitor to the iPod just so Apple has some good competition. The > key is matching iTunes, and making file transfers easy. And probably > the click-wheel at this point... seems the only way to go. Aside from > "style", I think those are the real reasons people buy the iPod. > -adamp > > >
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Yeah, if you're not using a music library program like iTunes, and you're still dealing with your music files directly, having some integrated way of accessing the files on your portable probably would be a big bonus. As far as iTunes, what Tim Moore said. It's really just a program for managing your music library, you don't need an iPod to use it. In fact, I used it for over half a year without having an iPod. I suppose it's what convinced me to get one. One trick I didn't learn for a while - the listing of your library really is a direct interface to the files; you can drag songs out of iTunes to anywhere on the filesystem and it'll copy them there. So you have the benefit of a well-designed interface to a database of your music, plus still working "directly" with your files. I very quickly stopped worrying about where the files themselves were stored. It just doesn't matter. As long as they're backed up when I first get them so I can restore my library if it ever comes to that. It's just really been a load off my mind. As for editing tags on the player, well, your player shows up in iTunes and you can edit files on the player. It also shows up in your file system and you can access files that way, too. The music files are "hidden", but A) there's really no need to see them, you work with them in iTunes, and B) if you really need to get at them (because iTunes doesn't let you copy *from* the iPod), just have hidden files & folders visble in your file browser and you can go into the iPod_Control folder and search for the track you want. Buttons? I always reach into my pocket and adjust the volume switch tracks without looking at it. Believe me, it's at least just as easy an interface to master as any other player, if not easier. Volume? Reach into pocket, unlock it, slide finger on wheel, re-lock it if you're done. Switch tracks? Reach into pocket, unlock it, press forward, re-lock it if you're done. Same for play/pause. Why does "all the controls on the front" matter? What matters is knowing what part of the interface you're touching. Easy. It's a wheel. It's closer to one end of the rectangle than the other. You know bottom is play/pause, left is back, right is next, and sliding on the wheel changes the volume. That's enough. However, I am concerned about Apple's behavior of late. I think they have an obligation to be excellent corporate citizens and treat musicians with the utmost care, at least as far as their store goes. Personally, I don't use the store, although I have browsed it for some suggestions, much like I sometimes browse Amazon to try new music. There are a lot of things I wish Apple would do, but nothing yet has turned me off of the iPod. Inevitably their superiority (my opinion) will fall and they'll be the evil company or the shoddy product. Look at Sony, they used to be king of the world but a lot of what they make these days is pretty shoddy, and they don't know what they're doing at all with regards to strict rights and rules and stuff. All companies screw up or disappear eventually. But for the time being I love my iPod, and when somebody else is king of the heap in 2 or 5 or 10 years, I'll move on without looking back. And I don't see how by then I wouldn't be able to play my AAC audio files ... given the ubiquity of the iPod, it would seem any future iPod-killer would really have to be able to play AAC files. At the very least I could re-rip my collection and transcode what I don't have on CD. Which I wouldn't mind having to do if it's sufficiently distant in time (around that 10 year marker). That all being said, if someone thinks another portable will be better for them, by all means, go for it! I in no way think the iPod is some holy, wonderful, amazingly best-of-everything device. Just as much as other people are tired of seeing it everywhere and tired of hearing how amazing it's supposed to be, I'm also tired of hearing a lot of the baseless criticism of it that gets bandied about for no apparent reason. If you see it all of the place, it isn't just because of Apple's ad campaign. It really is quite a good product. -adam piontek Alan Lucas wrote:
quoted 61 lines I will say that Redchair Software's Notmad Explorer makes using the> I will say that Redchair Software's Notmad Explorer makes using the > Zen with the PC pure easy. I don't even touch any of the Creative > stuff. I know they also have versions for iPods, Dell DJs, Rios, and > maybe the iRiver, but of course I haven't used any of those, but I'd > expect the features to be similar. I can edit multiple tags for files > already on the player, do easy syncs, all kinds of stuff that the > included Creative software either couldn't do, or was just so obtuse > about. > > And here's something that I consider an advantage over the iPod - the > buttons for the Zen are on the side of the player, so when it's in my > pocket, I don't have to look at it, or take it out of my pocket to > adjust volume, play/pause, or switch tracks. It seems like some of > that would be more difficult for a device where the controls are all > on the front. > > obIDM - a good portion of my IDM collection resides on my Zen. > > Later, > Alan > > np: DJ /Rupture - Special Gunpowder > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:16:00 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: > >>It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes, >>hardware design, easy cross-platform external storage) makes it up for >>me. It'd be nice if they'd do gapless, but I just plain don't really >>care. And I had actually thought I'd be too annoyed by it, but I'm >>not. >> >>Ogg/FLAC? Don't have any. Well, OK, I have some Oggs from when I went >>through my Ogg phase a couple years ago, but I just transcode them to >>m4a. In fact, I transcode all my MP3s that are greater than 128k too, >>because they get much smaller and I can fit more music on my puny mini. >> >>Sure, Ogg can be small, too, but I think even if every other player >>supported Ogg, I'd still go with an iPod for the ease of use and >>iTunes. Until the competitors' software was as good as it. As of now, >>I don't think there's anybody that matches iTunes for goodness. >> >>The Rio Karma seems like one of the best of the competitors, but it >>lacks too much, if you ask me. The complaints you mention are >>deal-breakers for me, and I'd add the interface design as being pretty >>lacking, too. >> >>That all being said, I'd love for somebody to release a real valid >>competitor to the iPod just so Apple has some good competition. The >>key is matching iTunes, and making file transfers easy. And probably >>the click-wheel at this point... seems the only way to go. Aside from >>"style", I think those are the real reasons people buy the iPod. >> -adamp >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-10-26 14:14John/SlackonomicsOn Oct 26, 2004, at 8:48 AM, Adam Piontek wrote: > And I don't see how by then I wouldn't
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quoted 6 lines And I don't see how by then I wouldn't be able to play my AAC audio> And I don't see how by then I wouldn't be able to play my AAC audio > files ... given the ubiquity of the iPod, it would seem any future > iPod-killer would really have to be able to play AAC files. At the > very least I could re-rip my collection and transcode what I don't > have on CD. Which I wouldn't mind having to do if it's sufficiently > distant in time (around that 10 year marker).
Just for the record, AAC isn't entirely Apple's invention. It's part of the MPEG (motion pictures expert group) consortium's industry-standard codec. It is the successor to MP3. It's part of the MPEG-4 standard, actually. Since it's a standard, you'll have little fear of the AAC files not playing. A lot of the other players haven't adopted the standard yet, which is inexplicable since AAC is truly a standard with the MPEG group behind it, but it's just a matter of time before they do. Especially considering AACPlus is coming out very soon. I personally went the Apple Lossless route since no audio is compressed, and I can transcode without loss of audio, too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-26 16:46Dan HaskovecI have an iPod mini and love it. It would be nice to have more than 4gb capacity, but afte
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I have an iPod mini and love it. It would be nice to have more than 4gb capacity, but after using it for about 6 months there's no way I'd get a player that is physically larger than the mini. The lack of gapless playback that someone mentioned earlier is a bit of an annoyance if you listen to a lot of live sets or multi-track mixes. I don't so it's not a big deal. It seems like most people listen to tracks on shuffle anyway. As far as sound quality, I'm pretty picky about that, and the iPod mini sounds fine to me. I did an a/b listening test with my Panasonic SL-SX460 portable CD player (this is the line that headphone.com recommends as the best sounding CD portable), and with a 192k mp3 I couldn't hear a difference. This is with a pair of $70 Grado SR-60 headphones. If course it is still mp3 so if you run it into a good amp and speakers you will hear a difference compared to a good CD player source. BTW, last week Slashdot had a link to a two-part article called "iPod killers for Christmas": http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/17/1459209 It's a good overview of the loads of new players coming out in the next few months. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 139 lines Yeah, if you're not using a music library program like iTunes, and> Yeah, if you're not using a music library program like iTunes, and > you're still dealing with your music files directly, having some > integrated way of accessing the files on your portable probably would be > a big bonus. As far as iTunes, what Tim Moore said. It's really just a > program for managing your music library, you don't need an iPod to use > it. In fact, I used it for over half a year without having an iPod. I > suppose it's what convinced me to get one. One trick I didn't learn for > a while - the listing of your library really is a direct interface to > the files; you can drag songs out of iTunes to anywhere on the > filesystem and it'll copy them there. So you have the benefit of a > well-designed interface to a database of your music, plus still working > "directly" with your files. I very quickly stopped worrying about where > the files themselves were stored. It just doesn't matter. As long as > they're backed up when I first get them so I can restore my library if > it ever comes to that. > > It's just really been a load off my mind. > > As for editing tags on the player, well, your player shows up in iTunes > and you can edit files on the player. It also shows up in your file > system and you can access files that way, too. The music files are > "hidden", but A) there's really no need to see them, you work with them > in iTunes, and B) if you really need to get at them (because iTunes > doesn't let you copy *from* the iPod), just have hidden files & folders > visble in your file browser and you can go into the iPod_Control folder > and search for the track you want. > > Buttons? I always reach into my pocket and adjust the volume switch > tracks without looking at it. Believe me, it's at least just as easy an > interface to master as any other player, if not easier. Volume? Reach > into pocket, unlock it, slide finger on wheel, re-lock it if you're > done. Switch tracks? Reach into pocket, unlock it, press forward, > re-lock it if you're done. Same for play/pause. > > Why does "all the controls on the front" matter? What matters is > knowing what part of the interface you're touching. Easy. It's a > wheel. It's closer to one end of the rectangle than the other. You > know bottom is play/pause, left is back, right is next, and sliding on > the wheel changes the volume. That's enough. > > However, I am concerned about Apple's behavior of late. I think they > have an obligation to be excellent corporate citizens and treat > musicians with the utmost care, at least as far as their store goes. > Personally, I don't use the store, although I have browsed it for some > suggestions, much like I sometimes browse Amazon to try new music. > > There are a lot of things I wish Apple would do, but nothing yet has > turned me off of the iPod. Inevitably their superiority (my opinion) > will fall and they'll be the evil company or the shoddy product. Look > at Sony, they used to be king of the world but a lot of what they make > these days is pretty shoddy, and they don't know what they're doing at > all with regards to strict rights and rules and stuff. All companies > screw up or disappear eventually. But for the time being I love my > iPod, and when somebody else is king of the heap in 2 or 5 or 10 years, > I'll move on without looking back. And I don't see how by then I > wouldn't be able to play my AAC audio files ... given the ubiquity of > the iPod, it would seem any future iPod-killer would really have to be > able to play AAC files. At the very least I could re-rip my collection > and transcode what I don't have on CD. Which I wouldn't mind having to > do if it's sufficiently distant in time (around that 10 year marker). > > That all being said, if someone thinks another portable will be better > for them, by all means, go for it! I in no way think the iPod is some > holy, wonderful, amazingly best-of-everything device. Just as much as > other people are tired of seeing it everywhere and tired of hearing how > amazing it's supposed to be, I'm also tired of hearing a lot of the > baseless criticism of it that gets bandied about for no apparent reason. > If you see it all of the place, it isn't just because of Apple's ad > campaign. It really is quite a good product. > -adam piontek > > Alan Lucas wrote: > > I will say that Redchair Software's Notmad Explorer makes using the > > Zen with the PC pure easy. I don't even touch any of the Creative > > stuff. I know they also have versions for iPods, Dell DJs, Rios, and > > maybe the iRiver, but of course I haven't used any of those, but I'd > > expect the features to be similar. I can edit multiple tags for files > > already on the player, do easy syncs, all kinds of stuff that the > > included Creative software either couldn't do, or was just so obtuse > > about. > > > > And here's something that I consider an advantage over the iPod - the > > buttons for the Zen are on the side of the player, so when it's in my > > pocket, I don't have to look at it, or take it out of my pocket to > > adjust volume, play/pause, or switch tracks. It seems like some of > > that would be more difficult for a device where the controls are all > > on the front. > > > > obIDM - a good portion of my IDM collection resides on my Zen. > > > > Later, > > Alan > > > > np: DJ /Rupture - Special Gunpowder > > > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:16:00 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: > > > >>It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes, > >>hardware design, easy cross-platform external storage) makes it up for > >>me. It'd be nice if they'd do gapless, but I just plain don't really > >>care. And I had actually thought I'd be too annoyed by it, but I'm > >>not. > >> > >>Ogg/FLAC? Don't have any. Well, OK, I have some Oggs from when I went > >>through my Ogg phase a couple years ago, but I just transcode them to > >>m4a. In fact, I transcode all my MP3s that are greater than 128k too, > >>because they get much smaller and I can fit more music on my puny mini. > >> > >>Sure, Ogg can be small, too, but I think even if every other player > >>supported Ogg, I'd still go with an iPod for the ease of use and > >>iTunes. Until the competitors' software was as good as it. As of now, > >>I don't think there's anybody that matches iTunes for goodness. > >> > >>The Rio Karma seems like one of the best of the competitors, but it > >>lacks too much, if you ask me. The complaints you mention are > >>deal-breakers for me, and I'd add the interface design as being pretty > >>lacking, too. > >> > >>That all being said, I'd love for somebody to release a real valid > >>competitor to the iPod just so Apple has some good competition. The > >>key is matching iTunes, and making file transfers easy. And probably > >>the click-wheel at this point... seems the only way to go. Aside from > >>"style", I think those are the real reasons people buy the iPod. > >> -adamp > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-10-26 17:19Alan LucasMan, none of those players really impress me. It amazes me that no one can come up with a
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Man, none of those players really impress me. It amazes me that no one can come up with a design that even comes close to rivaling the looks of the iPod. Lots of ugly models. Although that Archos 20gb player isn't too bad looking. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:46:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan Haskovec <dan@pry.com> wrote:
quoted 9 lines BTW, last week Slashdot had a link to a two-part article called "iPod> BTW, last week Slashdot had a link to a two-part article called "iPod > killers for Christmas": > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/17/1459209 > > It's a good overview of the loads of new players coming out in the next > few months. > >
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--Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> [041025 16:34]:
quoted 6 lines And here's something that I consider an advantage over the iPod - the> And here's something that I consider an advantage over the iPod - the > buttons for the Zen are on the side of the player, so when it's in my > pocket, I don't have to look at it, or take it out of my pocket to > adjust volume, play/pause, or switch tracks. It seems like some of > that would be more difficult for a device where the controls are all > on the front.
My iPod came with a tiny sleek little remote that attaches to the headphone cable that lets you control it. It conveniently clips to your shirt or the top of your pocket etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-26 18:21Adam PiontekI forget who prognosticated that a 60gb iPod would probably cost $600 - but they were righ
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I forget who prognosticated that a 60gb iPod would probably cost $600 - but they were right. Apple just released a new 60gb "photo iPod" today with a color screen. Costs $599. They also have a 40gb version at $499. I guess you'd really have to be into digital photos... I'd mention the black/red U2 iPod, but U2 is soooo not IDM! ;-) -adam piontek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-26 09:32Neil WalshI wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform". Neil On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:16:00 -0400, Adam Piont
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I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform". Neil On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:16:00 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:
quoted 60 lines It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes,> It's really not that big a deal (to me). The ease of use (iTunes, > hardware design, easy cross-platform external storage) makes it up for > me. It'd be nice if they'd do gapless, but I just plain don't really > care. And I had actually thought I'd be too annoyed by it, but I'm > not. > > Ogg/FLAC? Don't have any. Well, OK, I have some Oggs from when I went > through my Ogg phase a couple years ago, but I just transcode them to > m4a. In fact, I transcode all my MP3s that are greater than 128k too, > because they get much smaller and I can fit more music on my puny mini. > > Sure, Ogg can be small, too, but I think even if every other player > supported Ogg, I'd still go with an iPod for the ease of use and > iTunes. Until the competitors' software was as good as it. As of now, > I don't think there's anybody that matches iTunes for goodness. > > The Rio Karma seems like one of the best of the competitors, but it > lacks too much, if you ask me. The complaints you mention are > deal-breakers for me, and I'd add the interface design as being pretty > lacking, too. > > That all being said, I'd love for somebody to release a real valid > competitor to the iPod just so Apple has some good competition. The > key is matching iTunes, and making file transfers easy. And probably > the click-wheel at this point... seems the only way to go. Aside from > "style", I think those are the real reasons people buy the iPod. > -adamp > > > > On Oct 25, 2004, at 5:49 PM, Shane Huddleston wrote: > > > How do all the iPod fans tolerate the lack of gapless playback? I > > consider iPods to be broken out of the box for that reason alone and > > simply couldn't use one without throwing it out the bus window within > > 5 or 10 minutes. Or, has Apple fixed that recently? > > > > My money's on the Rio Karma. It has it's flaws (doesn't everything) > > but has perfect gapless playback for MP3 and WMA and fully supports > > all features of OGG and FLAC formats. Also cool is that the docking > > station supports ethernet so you can just pop your player on any > > standing network and access from any machine. > > > > Complaints: can't mount it as a drive in Windows Explorer (or > > OSX/Linux): non-music file transfers have to be done with proprietary > > RioTaxi software. Also, there's only a 20GB version so far. Something > > bigger is on the way, but probably not until 2005. > > > > -Shane > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-10-26 09:36muffinOn 26 Oct 2004, at 10:32, Neil Walsh wrote: > I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform". I've
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On 26 Oct 2004, at 10:32, Neil Walsh wrote:
quoted 1 line I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform".> I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform".
I've managed to put audio onto mine - the hard way - from Linux and FreeBSD. Much more cross platform than a lot of things I've seen that are called that. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-26 10:02Neil WalshI think the iRiver is the only hard disk mp3 player that can be truely called "cross platf
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I think the iRiver is the only hard disk mp3 player that can be truely called "cross platform" Neil On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:36:36 +0100, muffin <muffin@signmytits.com> wrote:
quoted 16 lines On 26 Oct 2004, at 10:32, Neil Walsh wrote:> > On 26 Oct 2004, at 10:32, Neil Walsh wrote: > > > I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform". > > I've managed to put audio onto mine - the hard way - from Linux and > FreeBSD. Much more cross platform than a lot of things I've seen that > are called that. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-10-26 18:23Dave Watson--Neil Walsh <walsh.neil@gmail.com> [041026 02:39]: > I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform
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--Neil Walsh <walsh.neil@gmail.com> [041026 02:39]:
quoted 1 line I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform".> I wouldn't call iPod "cross-platform".
I often use my iPod as a convenient means of moving music from my Mac at home to my PC at work. That's cross-platform enough for me. I've even used my iPod as a backup hard drive for my PC. The biggest cross-platform issue I've run into is that PC's never seem to have a firewire port. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org