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Re: [idm] proem / idm stereotype

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2004-05-11 15:13Albers, Brian RE: [idm] proem
2004-05-11 16:10visa Re: [idm] proem
├─ 2004-05-11 16:17Eggy Toast Re: [idm] proem
│ └─ 2004-05-11 16:29:: arg :: RE: [idm] proem
└─ 2004-05-11 23:23Adam Piontek Re: [idm] proem / idm stereotype
└─ 2004-05-12 10:42Alan R. Lockett Re: [idm] proem / idm stereotype
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2004-05-11 15:13Albers, BrianAll his stuff pales in comparison to his first album Burn Plate No. 1. All the stuff to fo
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All his stuff pales in comparison to his first album Burn Plate No. 1. All the stuff to follow is nice in a floaty tinkly easy listening idm sorta way, but at least on the first album it sounds like he had some musical statement to make. I haven't even bothered picking up his last couple releases 'cause now it seems like he's gonna be stuck in that easy listening idm rut forever. 'Negativ' (Merck) [2001] is good - beats are pretty crunchy and in your face. 'Socially Inept' (Merck) [2004] is a little more 'refined' and more advanced melodically, but still pretty sharp beatwise. Both recommended. alan
2004-05-11 16:10visaDoes anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist ever? All the majo
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Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist ever? All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads and sharp crunchy beats my ass... But hey, it might just be me. Visa --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-05-11 16:17Eggy Toastvisa said: > Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > eve
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visa said:
quoted 7 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > ever? > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads > and sharp crunchy beats my ass... > > But hey, it might just be me.
The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same thing. Lots of slow pads and crunchy beats. nothing really stood out to me, even compared to other artists that employ the same thing (like Phonem who even has a similar name). Those other artists seem to put more of their own spin on it. Proem just seems to be going through the motions. Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through those motions *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a certain sound that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it really well. There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and proem hits it pretty dead on. derek -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-05-11 16:29:: arg ::> The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same > thing. Lots > of slow pa
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quoted 18 lines The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same> The couple times I've listened to Proem I've thought the same > thing. Lots > of slow pads and crunchy beats. nothing really stood out to me, even > compared to other artists that employ the same thing (like > Phonem who even > has a similar name). Those other artists seem to put more of > their own > spin on it. Proem just seems to be going through the motions. > > Of course, I think his fans would argue that he goes through > those motions > *really well*. Which is valid -- it's ok to strive for a > certain sound > that fits well within what people are expecting, and do it > really well. > There are a lot of people who like that kind of sound and > proem hits it > pretty dead on.
hm, this is pretty close to what I was thinking about freeform when I heard the latest ep, although I'd also be among those who'd argue for it as a fan. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-05-11 23:23Adam PiontekI just have to reply to this in my own way: On May 11, 2004, at 12:10 PM, visa wrote: > Do
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I just have to reply to this in my own way: On May 11, 2004, at 12:10 PM, visa wrote:
quoted 6 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist> Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > ever? > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal > pads and > sharp crunchy beats my ass...
I can see how someone would think that, but I think he has his own Proemy spin on it and I really like it. I would apply the same description to Phonem, Arovane, Funckarma, and a load of others. Boring to me, sounds like they're trying to be Autechre. But lately I've been getting into Funckarma, like, all their stuff back to Parts and everything. And it always bored me before. Just goes to show it's pretty much all subjective. It's we who grow and hear and sometimes forget how to hear what we once loved. The music, it's all just so much sound and fury... :P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-05-12 10:42Alan R. LockettOn Tue, 11 May 2004 19:23:13 -0400 Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: > I just have to r
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:23:13 -0400 Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:
quoted 12 lines I just have to reply to this in my own way:> I just have to reply to this in my own way: > > On May 11, 2004, at 12:10 PM, visa wrote: > > Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist > > ever? > > > > All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal > > pads and > > sharp crunchy beats my ass... > > I can see how someone would think that, but I think he has his own > Proemy spin on it and I really like it.
I agree. He's seems to have taken a recognisable generic template and embroidered over it in such a way as to create his own 'voice'.
quoted 3 lines I would apply the same description to Phonem, Arovane, Funckarma, and a load> I would apply the same description to Phonem, Arovane, Funckarma, and a load > of others. > Boring to me, sounds like they're trying to be Autechre.
I don't agree. They've all taken the early-AE template and tweaked it differently. I would argue that none of them actually sound anything like Autechre. I would say that Arovane very quickly developed his own unmistakeable signature style, likewise Funckarma (and Quench for that matter). As for Phonem, I would argue less for the merit and individuality of his work. Point being, all of them work from within an established (sonic) framework; this is quite normal in many (artistic) areas, where genre features drive the production of something individual but recognisably belonging to a tradition. I guess what some of the posters have been saying about Proem is that they find that his music incarnates those formal genre features a little too 'perfectly'.
quoted 5 lines But lately I've been getting into Funckarma, like, all their stuff back to> But lately I've been getting into Funckarma, like, all their stuff back to > Parts and everything. And it always bored me before. Just goes to show it's > pretty much all subjective. It's we who grow and hear and sometimes > forget how to hear what we once loved. The music, it's all just so > much sound and fury... :P
Interestingly, I've found recent Funckarma output (on EP) to be harder to appreciate the more they seem to have explored a more personalised style. 'DemSongzByWe' is particularly difficult to digest. 'Smizm' goes down a little easier, but for me the earlier 'Bourbon Sounds' and 'Parts' knock 'em into a cocked hat. Puts me in mind a little of what happened to Autechre pre- v. post-1995. alan ---------------------- Alan Lockett, (Senior Language Co-ordinator, EFL), Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol BS8 1PY, UK Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk tel: +44 117 3310914 fax: +44 117 9741377 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org