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Re: [idm] proem vs. cliche

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2004-05-11 16:23chthonic Re: [idm] proem vs. cliche
└─ 2004-05-11 16:24Eggy Toast Re: [idm] proem vs. cliche
└─ 2004-05-11 17:14Greg Clow Re: [idm] proem vs. cliche
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2004-05-11 16:23chthonic---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "visa" <visa.tapani@k
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "visa" <visa.tapani@kanetti.fi> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:10:08 +0300
quoted 5 lines Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist>Does anyone else feel that Proem is The Most Stereotypically Idm artist >ever? >All the major IDM clichés are condensed into his formula. Ethereal pads and >sharp crunchy beats my ass... >But hey, it might just be me.
could be true. whatever. if so, i would file them as the IDM equivalent to EBM's front line assembly. nothing groundbreaking, but very consistent, generally doing everything right. although fla have recorded quite a few clunkers in their time, they have also done some very good albums for the genre - albeit somewhat pedestrian in a way. which doesn't actually prohibit me from liking them, because they're just well done. somehow others do pretty much the same thing but don't make the cut. to me proem does. and actually, i don't see proem as any more cliched-IDM than say, phoenecia, who are also very good. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-05-11 16:24Eggy Toastchthonic said: > could be true. whatever. if so, i would file them as the IDM > equivalent
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chthonic said:
quoted 8 lines could be true. whatever. if so, i would file them as the IDM> could be true. whatever. if so, i would file them as the IDM > equivalent to EBM's front line assembly. nothing groundbreaking, but > very consistent, generally doing everything right. although fla have > recorded quite a few clunkers in their time, they have also done some > very good albums for the genre - albeit somewhat pedestrian in a way. > which doesn't actually prohibit me from liking them, because they're > just well done. somehow others do pretty much the same thing but don't > make the cut. to me proem does.
FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a pretty good representation, and over the course of a few tracks I recognized parts lifted wholly from aphex twin and autechre tracks. I brought it up and said "that's kind of cheap, don't you think?" He responded that "no, it's what they do, it's great!" Of course, if you're familiar with what they're lifting, it's *really boring*, *really fast*. I'd rather go listen to the original tracks. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-05-11 17:14Greg ClowAt 12:24 PM 5/11/2004, Eggy Toast wrote: >FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a C
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At 12:24 PM 5/11/2004, Eggy Toast wrote:
quoted 6 lines FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a>FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a >pretty good representation, and over the course of a few tracks I >recognized parts lifted wholly from aphex twin and autechre tracks. I >brought it up and said "that's kind of cheap, don't you think?" > >He responded that "no, it's what they do, it's great!"
Y'know, even when I was a hardcore rivethead back in the 80s, I never really liked FLA. Leeb was such a blatant rip-off artist right from the beginning. Before he'd even released anything as FLA, a friend dubbed me a copy of his first solo demo tapes, and they were a complete burn of the stuff Skinny Puppy was doing while he was a member. From then on, it's been one rip-off after another. FLA was also one of the few industrial/EBM shows back then that I walked out of due to boredom. And even his side-projects are almost completely based on the work of others. The early Delerium material was chock full of samples from The Orb and FSOL and such. And then when Enigma got popular, he jumped on the "chanting monks over boring beats" bandwagon and made a killing. Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org