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That disco music that I reviled

quoted 2 lines back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac

>back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac >and (double urk) Yes.

Oh man Kent! You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE and STILL DO!!!!!! as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA! JF/DS _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

yeah, i know that you opportunistically trying to revive some rotten rockenrolen sound from those days of hard metal cracking music and cheese melodic bulshit performed by longhaired dudes with multiple veneric desease, yuck!!!! seems like electro revival did it to synthypop and breakcorists including you Jason are doing this dirty job to our sophisticated tastes once again with punk and the worst of the worst The rokinrolen!!!! thats why i in all honesty and sympathy to The New, could not ever finished listening any of the tracks of these chaotic grooveless cheap products of yours except mayby for one track by hrvatsky You people should stop this erroisive to OUR scene activities that your are getting paid for thousands of dollars from Big Labels on RIAA that want to make us all again buying mainstream rockinrolen and going to stadium concerts so you cheese guitar players can bath yourselfs in tonns and i mean it of toxic cocain powder!!!! rockinrolen must die __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

-----Original Message----- From: svin [mailto:svinrave@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:11 PM To: donna summer; kent@avalon.net; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] genres <snip> rockinrolen must die

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Nah, but I'm sorry But look I'm sorry But, Rock n Roll? Rock n' Roll will never die It's going nowhere It's here to stay What are you, fucking stupid? I'm sorry but nah but you're fucking high If you think rock n' roll will ever die You're cracked up out of your fucking mind Nah 'cause Rock n' Roll is here to stay It will never go away Look at Def Leopard Drummer's got one fucking arm Look at the Rolling Stones They've been around for forty five fucking years Look at Guns and Roses Need I say more Nah 'cause I'm sorry But look I'm sorry but But Rock n' Roll is not moving It's going nowhere It's here to stay -King Missile Regards, Brent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 14 lines That disco music that I reviled

> > That disco music that I reviled > >back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) > Fleetwood Mac > >and (double urk) Yes. > > Oh man Kent! > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! > They RULE and > STILL DO!!!!!! > > as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA! > > JF/DS

They were great as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mack, but they sucked after he left. He's still got it too... if you like blues. The Stones also rock, but Yes?... eeewwwww. ...skism --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The only Yes album I can still stand is "Close To the Edge" which is pretty brilliant. Fleetwood Mac were a really good little band before they blew up and got all coked up. I saw them at a roller rink in Salt Lake City right after Rumours came out and they were an absolutely brilliant live show. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, donna summer wrote:

quoted 10 lines That disco music that I reviled

> That disco music that I reviled > >back in the day -- while I rocked out to the Stones and (urk) Fleetwood Mac > >and (double urk) Yes. > > Oh man Kent! > You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE and > STILL DO!!!!!! > > as for fleetwood mac.. they do have some merit... HA! >

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On 25 Mar 2004 at 13:35, donna summer wrote:

quoted 2 lines You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE

> You shoudl TRESURE your YES days man! Don't hide?! EMBRACE it! They RULE > and STILL DO!!!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Roundabout is up there with my all-time desert island favourites :-)) "I will remember you your silhouette will charge the view of distant atmosphere..." Aaaaaaah! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines But Rock n' Roll is not moving

> But Rock n' Roll is not moving > It's going nowhere > It's here to stay

Not 'here', it isn't. Everything's gone green. ;) seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

when you try to trace the roots of all of it it all goes as far as first blues singers of the 1920s, they were the founders of all of it but later in the 50s music splits into 1.james brown, father of funk and grand father of all of techno and dubbed including electronica and hiphop, all of EBM 2.rockenrolen with less groove, elvis kind interesting thing is that elvis is dead as the trend he generated exhausted itself fully but James Brown still alive, kicking and screaming, getting in and out of jail all the time, big old motherfucker and HIS trend is as young as never, producing music to dance to, from funk, hiphop to cuting edge electronica and i forsee it to grow even further on the other hand rock seems to be dead forever in terms of music innovation and fresh sound, with all latest achievements paying tribute and using dubbing, 4by4 rythmic structures and othe techno methods The reasons people started to hate rockenroll are obviouis. It became more commersionalised then any other genre, repeating itself in 10 year cycles from rocknroll to hard rock to punk to anything metal again and again __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:41:59 -0800 (PST)

quoted 7 lines when you try to trace the roots of all of it

>when you try to trace the roots of all of it >it all goes as far as first blues singers of the >1920s, they were the founders of all of it >but later in the 50s music splits into >1.james brown, father of funk and grand father of >all of techno and dubbed including electronica >and hiphop, all of EBM

i think you're ignoring music (some of which happened prior to the 1920's) that is just as vital to the development of electronic music as the lineage you trace. "As early as 1914 Italian Futurist artist Luigi Russolo was working on the Intonorumori, a collection of noisemaking mechanical instruments documented in his tract The Art of Noise"...and we've all heard that name since then. then there was erik satie, who's also been an influence, even on receords as recent as the last aphex twin (at least it sounds like satie and john cage in parts). and of course other experimental and electronic music has happened since then completely outside of blues-based music (and thank god it has). d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

absolutly agreed you cant mention everybody in short email i was just pointing out the most influential as it seems you can imagine electronica without influence of futurists and experimentators but it would have never what we call Dance Culture without funk, i guess theoretically of course __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

chthonic said:

quoted 3 lines then there was erik satie, who's also been an influence, even on

> then there was erik satie, who's also been an influence, even on > receords as recent as the last aphex twin (at least it sounds like > satie and john cage in parts).

John Cage especially, with the whole "everything is music" (ok, that's watered down, but whatever) approach. Lots of the old influences peopel cite with electronic music are fine, but plenty neglect the whole "weird sound" and "pushing the listeners" aspect of it, too. Perhaps not surprisingly, modern music is a product of music that's come before it. I don't think anyone will argue that. I do think that modern music, though, isn't entirely a "sum of the past." otherwise it would sound like the past. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Where do the Beatles fit into this equation as the band (along w/ George Martin, of course) who invented a number of effects (flange, tape delay, etc.) that electronic music is based around today - as well as the focus on studio projects that would be very hard to replicate in a live setting (paved the way for accepting DJ's, laptops & other pre-recorded music as a substitution for playing each instrument live on stage.) It seems the genre lines between all great music is quite blurred. The Beatles listened to R&B and other groove-based music but followed a decidedly song-based path to the final album. I'm sure that similar issues are raised by the Stones or Prince or Postal Service or Telefon Tel Aviv. -----Original Message----- From: svin [mailto:svinrave@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:42 PM To: seeklektek; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] science in genres when you try to trace the roots of all of it it all goes as far as first blues singers of the 1920s, they were the founders of all of it but later in the 50s music splits into 1.james brown, father of funk and grand father of all of techno and dubbed including electronica and hiphop, all of EBM 2.rockenrolen with less groove, elvis kind interesting thing is that elvis is dead as the trend he generated exhausted itself fully but James Brown still alive, kicking and screaming, getting in and out of jail all the time, big old motherfucker and HIS trend is as young as never, producing music to dance to, from funk, hiphop to cuting edge electronica and i forsee it to grow even further on the other hand rock seems to be dead forever in terms of music innovation and fresh sound, with all latest achievements paying tribute and using dubbing, 4by4 rythmic structures and othe techno methods The reasons people started to hate rockenroll are obviouis. It became more commersionalised then any other genre, repeating itself in 10 year cycles from rocknroll to hard rock to punk to anything metal again and again __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

beatles are rockenrolen with some small experimenting side projects on some of their works but mostly song writers as far as live versus recorder in Modulations documentary Miles davis's producer talks about cutting tape in the studio that was always done before live concerts rarely had same sound as recorded songs laptop performances are sometimes as "live" as they can be in terms of instantenious decision makin by the musician on stage with rock singers on the other hand you can see how they sing to a prerecorded phonogram as well funk-techno trend has different quality of the sound, it grooves, it is a little monotonic, it is oriented to facilitate certain dancing invironment rock-song trend produces generally speking much more limited product with much more strict rules for its structure. that could be another reason it is not reinventing itself but of course genres interlace and overlay and whatever bottom line is arts are only good when they constantly reinvent themselfs sufficiently not superficially __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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concurrent with a lot of this as well, with roots in blues, most early jazz, bop styles up to experimental and free styles, have a lot of the earliest uses with pushing the use of key oriented instrumentation up to the development of the synthesizer, i mean after all, jazz was one of the first, club/dance styles that was compartmentalized into smaller groups with specific intentions of club/dancing/intoxication in mind, as well as playing with prototypes to filtering and effects by outside/directional/physical manipulations. i do draw a lot of my research/development from these early composer/innovators as well in composition, technique, meter etc...two cents. later, Nth G. Sachio Crowe / Nth Department of Physics University of Washington exponential media network po box 19553 seattle, wa 98109 206.283.2179 - office 206.669.1952 - cell nth808@hotmail.com -email http://www.soundclick.com/nth -bio/info/news/mp3 exponentialmedia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - newsgroup

quoted 56 lines From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com>

>From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> >To: seeklektek <eclectics@comcast.net>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] science in genres >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:41:59 -0800 (PST) > >when you try to trace the roots of all of it >it all goes as far as first blues singers of the >1920s, they were the founders of all of it > >but later in the 50s music splits into > >1.james brown, father of funk and grand father of >all of techno and dubbed including electronica >and hiphop, all of EBM > >2.rockenrolen with less groove, elvis kind > >interesting thing is that elvis is dead >as the trend he generated exhausted itself fully > >but James Brown still alive, kicking and >screaming, getting in and out of jail all the >time, big old motherfucker > >and HIS trend is as young as never, producing >music to dance to, from funk, hiphop to cuting >edge electronica > >and i forsee it to grow even further > >on the other hand rock seems to be dead forever >in terms of music innovation and fresh sound, > >with all latest achievements paying tribute and >using dubbing, 4by4 rythmic structures and othe >techno methods > >The reasons people started to hate rockenroll are >obviouis. > >It became more commersionalised then any other >genre, repeating itself in 10 year cycles > >from >rocknroll to hard rock to punk to anything metal >again and again > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Not to play Captain Poopypants here, but a lot of this lineage-tracing seems to be a exercise in constructing linear narratives from a scattered, contradictory and often unrelated scattering of events. Ultimately, we need some narratives to help organize our understandings of origins and development, but IDM's histories seem to resist that...and I think that's a good thing, overall. If anything unifies EDM, IDM and Electroaccoustic/Tape music's origins, it's the prevelance of hermetic creativities. So many artists in electronic music (especially before the last 1/4 of the XX-century) worked in a state of conceptual isolation, taking their inspiration from a broad array of sources rather than a father-teacher/student-son scenario. So, while I recognize the importance of creating creation stories for IDM and EDM (this is especially true in a classroom setting), we should leave some room for Other stories, Other voices. cheers, Luis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

of course, but still, it is imaginable that techno(ebm, etc) could have emerge without a lot of things but no way without funk. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:17:16 -0800 (PST)

quoted 8 lines i was just pointing out the most influential as

>i was just pointing out the most influential as >it seems >you can imagine electronica without influence of >futurists and experimentators >but it would have never what we call Dance >Culture >without funk, i guess >theoretically of course

actually i disagree entirely. i consider the futurists and experimentors far more important to electronic music because of the nature of electronic instruments. when they were first invented, they were exclusively the province of experimentors and inventors. for years the machines were so large they filled science labs, never mind being able to afford one to bring it on the road. as far as funk being necessary to dance culture you may be right, i can't comment on that. but to paraphrase an earlier post today, IDM is not always about dance culture. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Eggy Toast" <eggy@eggtastic.com> Reply-To: eggy@eggtastic.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:28:33 -0500 (EST)

quoted 2 lines Lots of the old influences peopel

>Lots of the old influences peopel >cite with electronic music are fine, but plenty neglect the whole

"weird

quoted 1 line sound" and "pushing the listeners" aspect of it, too.

>sound" and "pushing the listeners" aspect of it, too.

absolutely. these things are vital.

quoted 1 line Perhaps not surprisingly, modern music is a product of music

>Perhaps not surprisingly, modern music is a product of music

that's come

quoted 1 line before it. I don't think anyone will argue that. I do think that

>before it. I don't think anyone will argue that. I do think that

modern

quoted 1 line music, though, isn't entirely a "sum of the past." otherwise it

>music, though, isn't entirely a "sum of the past." otherwise it

would

quoted 1 line sound like the past.

>sound like the past.

yes. there's no doubt that if one has listened to music, it will influence that person's creation of music. the difference between unremarkable and remarkable creations is the ability to apply ideas that don't come from the past to those that do. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

it possibly is blues+rock+whatever i am not sure i wasnt "researchuing" that. My point was that the last stop before it turned into Dancing Electronica was funk. And i argued this extremely precise refering to specifics of sound and perception that are SAME in funk and EDM. dont respond if it bothers you, ok with me, i will not have to respond, keep on rockin and rolling __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Food for thought - how do you constantly

>Food for thought - how do you constantly >re-invent if you have to keep >the audiences moving on the dance floor?

best possible motivation for a musician and of course if it works anything goes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org