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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:54:28 -0800

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>----- Original Message ----- >From: "chthonic" >> also, i think 'the sylvie and babs hi-fi companion' was a

precursor

quoted 5 lines to what people now call "plunderphonics".

>> to what people now call "plunderphonics". > > >Nah. John Oswald was doing the Mystery Tapes >way before any of that Stapleton stuff.

hmm...it seems so, since a page i read dates his work from 1975 (3 years prior to the first NWW and 10 years before "s&b"). but were they actually released? anywhere stapleton could have heard them? the same page says "The first two plunderphonic releases, a 1988 EP and a 1989 full-length CD", which would place those releases after the NWW LP. it also says "Mystery Tapes, a series of compilation cassettes resembling aural magazines, offering a collage of music, voices, and sound...Sound sources were taken out of context, voices were removed from their associated faces, and songs were presented on their own merit." that could just be a poor description, but this sounds a bit less like stapleton's collage style and more like a kind of bizarro mixtape, or at least halfway between. "Many of the ideas first presented in these tapes would be explored further as Oswald began to develop his idea of plunderphonics in the late 1980s." this again sounds like the tapes were done but were not called plunderphonics or fully developed as such until after NWW had been releasing records for several years. just saying what it sounds like. never heard oswald's pre-NWW work. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

on 3/10/04 2:08 PM, chthonic at chthonic@chthonicstreams.com wrote:

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> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "seeklektek" <eclectics@comcast.net> > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:54:28 -0800 > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "chthonic" >>> also, i think 'the sylvie and babs hi-fi companion' was a > precursor >>> to what people now call "plunderphonics". >> >> >> Nah. John Oswald was doing the Mystery Tapes >> way before any of that Stapleton stuff. > > hmm...it seems so, since a page i read dates his work from 1975 > (3 years prior to the first NWW and 10 years before "s&b"). > > but were they actually released? anywhere stapleton could have > heard them? the same page says "The first two plunderphonic > releases, a 1988 EP and a 1989 full-length CD", which would > place those releases after the NWW LP. > > it also says "Mystery Tapes, a series of compilation cassettes > resembling aural magazines, offering a collage of music, voices, > and sound...Sound sources were taken out of context, voices were > removed from their associated faces, and songs were presented > on their own merit." >

goodly-nice props to Oswald....even so, Stapleton's own work is an homage to Dada in as much as lp and songs titles reflect. Still nice to hear about this other guy tho. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "chthonic"

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> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "seeklektek" > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "chthonic" > >> also, i think 'the sylvie and babs hi-fi companion' was a > precursor > >> to what people now call "plunderphonics".

quoted 2 lines Nah. John Oswald was doing the Mystery Tapes

> >Nah. John Oswald was doing the Mystery Tapes > >way before any of that Stapleton stuff.

quoted 3 lines hmm...it seems so, since a page i read dates his work from 1975

> hmm...it seems so, since a page i read dates his work from 1975 > (3 years prior to the first NWW and 10 years before "s&b"). > but were they actually released?

Mail-order only. Some of them are phenomenal and some are just dense. A lot of it riotous.

quoted 4 lines anywhere stapleton could have

> anywhere stapleton could have > heard them? the same page says "The first two plunderphonic > releases, a 1988 EP and a 1989 full-length CD", which would > place those releases after the NWW LP.

Stapleton probably *did* hear them, at that time.

quoted 5 lines it also says "Mystery Tapes, a series of compilation cassettes

> it also says "Mystery Tapes, a series of compilation cassettes > resembling aural magazines, offering a collage of music, voices, > and sound...Sound sources were taken out of context, voices were > removed from their associated faces, and songs were presented > on their own merit."

Yep: that's the Mystery Tapes.

quoted 3 lines that could just be a poor description, but this sounds a bit less like

> that could just be a poor description, but this sounds a bit less like > stapleton's collage style and more like a kind of bizarro mixtape, or > at least halfway between.

They were Plunderphonics. Well, Plunderphonics was the name Oswald came up with after he'd been doing it for a bit, but then again, Plunderphonics *is* John Oswald. =)

quoted 9 lines "Many of the ideas first presented in these tapes would be

> "Many of the ideas first presented in these tapes would be > explored further as Oswald began to develop his idea of > plunderphonics in the late 1980s." this again sounds like the > tapes were done but were not called plunderphonics or fully > developed as such until after NWW had been releasing records for > several years. > just saying what it sounds like. never heard oswald's pre-NWW > work. > d.

Cassette-only. I don't have a recorder these days, so I can't offer to burn, er, dupe them. ;) seek np: Mahir - 'I Kiss You' --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Cassette-only. I don't have a recorder these days, so I can't

> Cassette-only. I don't have a recorder these days, so I can't > offer to burn, er, dupe them. ;)

they are available at the http://detritus.net/archive/ page, along with plunderphonic, rubaiyat and kissing jesus in the dark (I'd forgotten about this one). the detritus site, if one has never visited, kicks ass. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 2 lines Cassette-only. I don't have a recorder these days, so I can't

> > Cassette-only. I don't have a recorder these days, so I can't > > offer to burn, er, dupe them. ;)

quoted 3 lines they are available at the

> they are available at the http://detritus.net/archive/ page, > along with plunderphonic, rubaiyat and kissing jesus in the > dark (I'd forgotten about this one).

quoted 1 line the detritus site, if one has never visited, kicks ass.

> the detritus site, if one has never visited, kicks ass.

I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;) But the site won't open! Hey, everybody: get outta the way: I wanna see, too. seek np: Wevie Stonder - Eat Your Own Ears --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;)

> I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;) > But the site won't open! Hey, everybody: get outta the way: > I wanna see, too.

one can also find some early klf (jamms) and negativland there... there is so excellent content beyond the audio and visual archive too :) if I remember correctly, there are just some of the versions of the mystery tapes there, not all of them (don't want to mislead people too much) this is also the home of illegal arts... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;)

> I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;)

take a few tabs of blotter. watch boohbah. tim leary's head has been reattached and he is producing children's television. I swear. really. and it has a psuedo electronic~acidy soundtrack... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;)

> > I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;) > > But the site won't open! Hey, everybody: get outta the way: > > I wanna see, too.

quoted 3 lines one can also find some early klf (jamms) and negativland

> one can also find some early klf (jamms) and negativland > there... there is so excellent content beyond the audio > and visual archive too :)

Back to the heavyweight.

quoted 4 lines if I remember correctly, there are just some

> if I remember correctly, there are just some > of the versions of the mystery tapes there, > not all of them (don't want to mislead people > too much)

I've all of the Mystery Tapes. Wanna convert them for me? I'd like Catholic copies, please: mine are pagan.

quoted 1 line this is also the home of illegal arts...

> this is also the home of illegal arts...

The Passion of Christ? seek the divine np: h.amezquita.multi (static discos) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;)

> > I need ~my~ ass kicked. ;)

quoted 1 line take a few tabs of blotter. watch boohbah.

> take a few tabs of blotter. watch boohbah.

Blue Pyramid. http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html

quoted 2 lines tim leary's head has been reattached and he

> tim leary's head has been reattached and he > is producing children's television.

And the head is attached to Ted 'Splendid Splinter' Williams' body, powered by the Chandra Levy heart. Ooops, sorry: got that last bit wrong: Dick Cheney got the Levy heart. They're putting her pancreas in Ashcroft later this week. Leary got her pineal gland. He now 'thinks' that he's a Samoan lawyer.

quoted 1 line I swear. really.

> I swear. really.

No, really: I do too.

quoted 1 line and it has a psuedo electronic~acidy soundtrack...

> and it has a psuedo electronic~acidy soundtrack...

Hey, you don't have to tell me: I posted the link to it here the week *before* it was on teeeveee. ;) seek the innocent --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org