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what are some good idm blog type sites? i'm thinking like dogsonacid.com, kuro5hin.org, slashdot.org.... -- ____________________________________________________ independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

not sure if our blog is "idm", but we try to catch the good stuff and talk about it: http://www.krack.org/v3/krackBlog !!! ____________________ jason.clark http://www.krack.org ____________________ On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Josh Steiner wrote:

quoted 13 lines what are some good idm blog type sites? i'm thinking like

> what are some good idm blog type sites? i'm thinking like > dogsonacid.com, kuro5hin.org, slashdot.org.... > > -- > ____________________________________________________ > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Some days ago I asked for help identifying an artist. Anyway, I found it myself, on this list: It was Neuropolitique I was looking for. To: idm@hyperreal.com Subject: (idm) New Electronica Tape w/ Muzik From: Derek Jordan <djordan@LnxLand1.denver.colorado.EDU> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 12:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Cc: lowlands@xs4all.nl Sender: owner-idm@hyperreal.com --------------------------------- I got this magnificent tape today. I'll post my own review on Sunday, but here's the tracks:A SideScanner-'Patino'-from DELIVERY(forthcoming album)As One-'The Spell'-previously unreleasedFlorence-'Solitary Confinement'-previously unreleasedNeuropolitique-'Nervous'-from UNRELEASED II(forthcoming comp.)B SideDJ Krush-'Kemuri'(Smoke)-from TRIP 2 THE cHIP sHOPHMC-'Science Function'-from Chronological HarmonisationsMorph-'Our Future'-from STORMWATCHCJ Bolland-'Mantra'-from American & European Tech. Innovations Ny versjon av Yahoo! Messenger Nye ikoner og bakgrunner, webkamera med superkvalitet og dobbelt så morsom

quoted 5 lines I think one of the things that's pushed me away from IDM in recent years

> I think one of the things that's pushed me away from IDM in recent years > is this orientalism. The idea that a drum sound is played out- that > making innovative "sounds" instead of tracks or mixes, is the problem. > I'd rather listen to a solid hour-long minimal acid set than listen to > some wank show off how many computations per second his Powerbook gets.

I think it is more a philosophical question using breaks or unique samples in the songs. Even using the 808 or the 909 is not just about programming the patterns and pressing play. It's the postproduction (or lets say unsing effects) which can give the sound its fully potential. Ok, we all have been able to see that there can be a whole kind of music based on one simple (and unbelievable sounding) instrument (takling about the 303). And I agree that this special kind of sound, coming out of this instrument will never be boring or played out. But there will (and has to be) a development in music. And isn't it just great taking any kind of sample and building a whole song whith all the stuff out of it (like Funkstoerung for example does) sounding linke nothing you ever heard before? So in my opinion it's the sound that counts in the end. Sok --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 2 lines Pretty much 85% of all jungle/drum and bass stuff utilizes the amen

> Pretty much 85% of all jungle/drum and bass stuff utilizes the amen > break or a similar break.

What does that mean? Aren't all breaks similar? Are you saying 85% of jungle samples their breakbeats? Did you do a scientific study, btw? Anyway, fuck all y'all. The amen still wrecks the place. 808, 909, 303, Funky Drummer and Amen. There's a reason they all got so popular. You listen to a Remarc record, a Doc Scott record, a Squarepusher record and an Erik B and Rakim record and you tell me that the Amen is played out. People were saying it was played out before Remarc, before Squarepusher, before Hrvatski + Lesser, etc. It's drum samples that happen to sound good. How can drum samples be played out? I think one of the things that's pushed me away from IDM in recent years is this orientalism. The idea that a drum sound is played out- that making innovative "sounds" instead of tracks or mixes, is the problem. I'd rather listen to a solid hour-long minimal acid set than listen to some wank show off how many computations per second his Powerbook gets. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I completely agree. The Amen break sounds amazing and always will. It has become an instrument in and of itself in contemporary music. Saying its played out is like saying the piano is played out. -Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:04 pm Subject: Re: [idm] RE: Amen Break/Breaks recommendations

quoted 40 lines [Chris <chris@tandjrec.com>]

> [Chris <chris@tandjrec.com>] > > Pretty much 85% of all jungle/drum and bass stuff utilizes the amen > > break or a similar break. > > What does that mean? Aren't all breaks similar? Are you saying > 85% of > jungle samples their breakbeats? Did you do a scientific study, btw? > > Anyway, fuck all y'all. The amen still wrecks the place. 808, 909, > 303, Funky Drummer and Amen. There's a reason they all got so > popular. > You listen to a Remarc record, a Doc Scott record, a Squarepusher > recordand an Erik B and Rakim record and you tell me that the Amen is > played out. People were saying it was played out before Remarc, > beforeSquarepusher, before Hrvatski + Lesser, etc. It's drum > samples that > happen to sound good. How can drum samples be played out? > > I think one of the things that's pushed me away from IDM in recent > yearsis this orientalism. The idea that a drum sound is played > out- that > making innovative "sounds" instead of tracks or mixes, is the problem. > I'd rather listen to a solid hour-long minimal acid set than > listen to > some wank show off how many computations per second his Powerbook > gets. > -- > :: atomly :: > > [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... > [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... > [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and > updates ... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 3 lines better in my opinion. Another of my favorite

> better in my opinion. Another of my favorite > jungle/d&b producers to > use loads of Amens is Photek...

What photek songs have you heard that use the amen break? I think one of the reasons photek got so popular was his avoidance of breaks, everything was programmed using individual samples. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

so is the argument pertaining to amen "sounds", or sequencing a sampled chunk of the amen "breakbeat". a lot of people sample the breakbeat - and just tune it right so it loops - especially the old hip hop stuff...that's cool, but a lot of people have done some pretty amazing stuff by building kits out of the different hits and combining them w/ other sounds & effects. you can sample the kick, hats, and snare of a break and make something totally different and it becomes a new "break" - which is what a lot of people (including photek) do/did. i hear a lot of tracks where someone will just use the snare. or the kick. you know what i'm saying. either way - nothin but amen luv from this end. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [idm] RE: Amen Break/Breaks recommendations

quoted 15 lines better in my opinion. Another of my favorite

> > better in my opinion. Another of my favorite > > jungle/d&b producers to > > use loads of Amens is Photek... > > What photek songs have you heard that use the amen > break? I think one of the reasons photek got so > popular was his avoidance of breaks, everything was > programmed using individual samples. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I think the main thing about any break editing is that the editing is more important than the raw break. Although the raw break contributes alot, and in some cases they sound good alone or pasted into a new context, its really the editing that creates the final sound.. The amen has been used ...alot....to the point that you feel like you've heard all the permutations. But in the end its just a tool. RE: Photek. I can't think of many amen tunes he's done. There probably are a few, but its not his MO - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: <lynn@sonicterror.net> To: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [idm] RE: Amen Break/Breaks recommendations

quoted 5 lines so is the argument pertaining to amen "sounds", or sequencing a sampled

> so is the argument pertaining to amen "sounds", or sequencing a sampled > chunk of the amen "breakbeat". a lot of people sample the breakbeat - and > just tune it right so it loops - especially the old hip hop stuff...that's > cool, but a lot of people have done some pretty amazing stuff by building > kits out of the different hits and combining them w/ other sounds &

effects.

quoted 4 lines you can sample the kick, hats, and snare of a break and make something

> > you can sample the kick, hats, and snare of a break and make something > totally different and it becomes a new "break" - which is what a lot of > people (including photek) do/did. i hear a lot of tracks where someone

will

quoted 19 lines just use the snare. or the kick. you know what i'm saying.

> just use the snare. or the kick. you know what i'm saying. > > either way - nothin but amen luv from this end. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brandon" <djresonance@yahoo.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] RE: Amen Break/Breaks recommendations > > > > > better in my opinion. Another of my favorite > > > jungle/d&b producers to > > > use loads of Amens is Photek... > > > > What photek songs have you heard that use the amen > > break? I think one of the reasons photek got so > > popular was his avoidance of breaks, everything was > > programmed using individual samples.

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quoted 2 lines RE: Photek. I can't think of many amen tunes he's done.

> RE: Photek. I can't think of many amen tunes he's done. > There probably are a few, but its not his MO

Nice pun, whether it was intentional or not. Anyway, Photek was all about the Soul Pride break. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org