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2003-10-08 18:14StaticBeatsNo flame intended. Please trim your posts when you reply. The original post is far too lon

From:: StaticBeats <minimalism@staticbeats.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:14:22 -0700
Subject:: RE: [idm] IDM is for trimmers

No flame intended. Please trim your posts when you reply. The original post is far too long to quote in it's entirety.. ps. daeta32 writes: i'm not trying to hate on idm, i'm talking with heavy words cause i hold a strong opinion about the music that i've been listening to since it started... Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-10-08 18:24Eggy ToastStaticBeats said: > No flame intended. > Please trim your posts when you reply. > The orig

From:: Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:24:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: RE: [idm] IDM is for trimmers
Reply to:: RE: [idm] IDM is for trimmers

StaticBeats said:

quoted 7 lines No flame intended.

> No flame intended. > Please trim your posts when you reply. > The original post is far too long to quote in it's entirety.. > > ps. daeta32 writes: i'm not trying to hate on idm, i'm talking with > heavy words cause i hold a strong opinion about the music that i've been > listening to since it started...

I just think the music has stylistically changed from when it started. The only thing really tying new idm to old are the artists, and most of them have followed into the newer type of music. listening to a more recent "idm" album compared to the early 90's warp stuff makes one wonder how they could even be grouped together. I think it's ultimately a subtle change when you're really into it, but I think a lot of people end up taking a step back and saying "whoa. This is really totally different than what the music was like 10, or even 5 years ago. And I really liked that stuff. Is there any more like that older stuff around? Did I miss something or is it not being made anymore? I think some of the charms other genres have, with their tight boundaries and strict fans, is that there's usually always a few people doing just good solid music that fits happily into that genre without any pretenses or misconceptions. You know, like a good folk album or something. There's such a push for idmmers to innovate that i think a lot of the press badmouths an album that doesn't innovate in some way, or that doesn't make use of the latest vst plugins. it's non wonder that plenty of familiar names in electronic music have stopped producing. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-10-08 14:59Tim JonesOn Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Eggy Toast wrote: > I just think the music has

From:: Tim Jones <tjones@wesleyan.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:59:35 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM is for trimmers
Reply to:: RE: [idm] IDM is for trimmers

On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Eggy Toast wrote:

quoted 3 lines I just think the music has stylistically changed from when it started.

> I just think the music has stylistically changed from when it started. > The only thing really tying new idm to old are the artists, and most of > them have followed into the newer type of music.

From our relatively hypersensitive standpoint, that's true... but I feel like someone coming from a non-IDM-intensive musical place would find the differences between older stuff and newer stuff to be trifling. Are (to pick names at random) Arovane and Ulrich Schnaus really that different from early Aphex and Autechre? In cases where the new and the old *are* notably different stylistically, I feel like they have still been created in the same spirit: "hey, what cool things can i make my electronics do?" and that they have basically the same audience, which i guess is... us? =t= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-10-08 22:35EggyToastAt 02:59 PM 10/8/2003 +0000, you wrote: >On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Eggy

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:35:20 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM is for trimmers
Reply to:: Re: [idm] IDM is for trimmers

At 02:59 PM 10/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 10 lines On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Eggy Toast wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Eggy Toast wrote: >>I just think the music has stylistically changed from when it started. >>The only thing really tying new idm to old are the artists, and most of >>them have followed into the newer type of music. > > From our relatively hypersensitive standpoint, that's true... but I feel > like someone coming from a non-IDM-intensive musical place would find the > differences between older stuff and newer stuff to be trifling. Are (to > pick names at random) Arovane and Ulrich Schnaus really that different > from early Aphex and Autechre?

Yeah, I'd say so. Perhaps not the two names you picked, but the prevalence of "fuckery," in the parlance of our times, has really changed a lot of what IDM used to be, in my mind. My girlfriend, who isn't into much electronic music, notices it and has a like for the stuff that's a bit more "aged." You know, the stuff that doesn't need to throw in 3 tempo changes a minute or blast a wall of noise to signal a breakdown every randomly assigned beats. It's not that there's anything wrong with it, but I think that element has caused more of a split between what's IDM now vs. what was IDM before. I mean, when I got into it, stuff that seemed as disparate as autechre to amon tobin fell under the same category, but now there's the people who can keep a groove going for a whole song and make it good (pwckaggfawsamig) vs. people who need to change everything up every few measures (pwntceuefw). derek -- eggytoast.com -- eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-10-09 03:43svinto me it looks like this- there were 3 basic roots to electronica -breaks on the turntable

From:: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:43:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: [idm] IDM is for trimmers, positive idm, etc
Reply to:: RE: [idm] IDM is for trimmers

to me it looks like this- there were 3 basic roots to electronica -breaks on the turntables -electronic musical instruments(from terminwax to 303 and later computer programs) -dubing technic, which is actually related to the first two the common thing for them is that non-musician can use them to create music, which means that people with imagination can put their ideas to sound and also it means that much more people then before are producing music black musicians are putting their funky grooves(house) and white geeks add the nothern intelectual twist they have in their souls from all this bad weather and on and on and on from disco to acidhouse to techno from hiphop to drum-n-base to breakcore from idm to minimal from dub to everything looks like it will be simply imposible to classify genres soon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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