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Now listen, I don't want to revive that whole mess about whether or not "live" electronica is boring or great or whatever. That was one serious bomb of a thread. At first, I was excited that Mu-Ziq, Squarepusher, and others were on an American tour. But, Jesus, it seems as though Squarepusher live just destroys skulls with processed feedback and drops verbatim clips from Go Plastic and such. The new Mu-Ziq...well, parts of it are fucking great: particularly "Meinheld" and "AEC Merlin." However, part of me is sad that Paradinas isn't bringing something fresh like he did with Lunatic Harness or even Full Sunken Breaks. The bulk of Bilious Paths is the same Cubase/Hyperprism/Audiomulch inventory check of plug-ins with a few glimmers of the melodic signature of Mike P. Anyway, can someone convince me that it would be worth the drive, money, and effort? I really want to have faith here. Respond freely to anything I said. Counts __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think here are a number of factors which come into play in regards to how interesting a live idm show will be. This is a style of music which is often difficult to recreate in a live context, therefore a large number of artists will use pre-made clips of their music when playing live. Another thing to consider is context, meaning that these are not rock shows where the lead singer stops to talk to the audience while the band tunes up for the next song, but partys where the live PAs are competing with DJs who can effortlessly chain together records. It would be nice if some idm artists would look at more conventional acts like Orbital and take notes, because even though I personally find their music a little bland, their live sets are still interesting to watch. But I wouldn't want to generalize and say that all idm acts only use laptops live, as people like Solvent, Kevin Blechdom, and David Kristian all seem to incorporate a lot of live playing into their sets. I would definately drive a long way to see Squarepusher play his bass or Mike Paradinas look busy over a stack of keyboards. Hopefully, this will not turn into a big mess. Anne :) John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> wrote: Now listen, I don't want to revive that whole mess about whether or not "live" electronica is boring or great or whatever. That was one serious bomb of a thread. At first, I was excited that Mu-Ziq, Squarepusher, and others were on an American tour. But, Jesus, it seems as though Squarepusher live just destroys skulls with processed feedback and drops verbatim clips from Go Plastic and such. The new Mu-Ziq...well, parts of it are fucking great: particularly "Meinheld" and "AEC Merlin." However, part of me is sad that Paradinas isn't bringing something fresh like he did with Lunatic Harness or even Full Sunken Breaks. The bulk of Bilious Paths is the same Cubase/Hyperprism/Audiomulch inventory check of plug-ins with a few glimmers of the melodic signature of Mike P. Anyway, can someone convince me that it would be worth the drive, money, and effort? I really want to have faith here. Respond freely to anything I said. Counts __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

I am going to shamelessly jump into this thread with a bit of self-hype about the recent live tech house jazz sets I've been doing with Digital Cutup Lounge West...things have really been heating up with the addition of drummer Chris Saleh to the mix...we'd really like to start playing more around town if any of you promoters would be interested in having us as live musical guests. Brief description: I am mixing tracks beats and sounds on my computer together with two musicians, Pask on computer-effected sax and Saleh laying down live drum grooves. Our sound is minimal tech house with layers of jazz on top, it's not IDM exactly but I think a lot of IDM fans would dig our sound...particularly now that our sax player (Andrew Pask of Cycling 74) is using MAX/MSP to twist his jazz lines into strange n-dimensional sounds and configurations. I have just finished putting together a new webpage with a few pics and links to tracks that we have been playing out live...have a look: http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com/newsite/dcljazzlive.htm We will be playing at the Derby next Thursday from 7-8p as part of this CLUB DIY thing if anyone's interested. More info on DCL event page http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com/ and click 'events'. Sorry for the blatant plug, but I am really excited about how the band is sounding now and I want to get out and tear up some SoCal clubs...I have been spending too much time on various studio projects (and graduate school in ethnomusicology) since moving to LA from Hong Kong in late 2001 and now I wanna get back to playing live a lot more. I have been building up my own mailing list of SoCal heads at DCL gigs, we would love to get together with some local promoters and help with the PR for the party as well if DCLW is going to play. I can also send CDs and PR materials if anyone is interested, just email me. John -- John von Seggern producer remixer DJ Digital Cutup Lounge [Los Angeles / Hong Kong] <http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com> film and TV scoring with Terra Incognito [Los Angeles] <http://www.terra-incognito.us> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

BTW, my two cents on this thread - I think the unexplored frontier is still the interaction of DJ / programmers with live musicians and vocalists. There are a lot of ways this can be done, and lots of new ones are opening up all the time. Even though this is hardly a new area still there are a lot of fresh combinations to be tried. Having moved back to the US in 2001 after ten years in Asia, it seems that live music and bands are still more entrenched here as compared to say the UK where DJ culture has become the mainstream, so I'm thinking that a lot of interesting future developments in this country may come out of interesting fusions between computer music and live playing, singing, or MCing. John Anne Whillance wrote:

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>I think here are a number of factors which come into play >in regards to how interesting a live idm show will be. This is >a style of music which is often difficult to recreate in a live >context, therefore a large number of artists will use pre-made >clips of their music when playing live. Another thing to >consider is context, meaning that these are not rock shows >where the lead singer stops to talk to the audience while the >band tunes up for the next song, but partys where the live >PAs are competing with DJs who can effortlessly chain together >records. >It would be nice if some idm artists would look at more >conventional acts like Orbital and take notes, because >even though I personally find their music a little bland, >their live sets are still interesting to watch. >But I wouldn't want to generalize and say that all idm acts >only use laptops live, as people like Solvent, Kevin Blechdom, >and David Kristian all seem to incorporate a lot of live playing >into their sets. > >I would definately drive a long way to see Squarepusher play >his bass or Mike Paradinas look busy over a stack of >keyboards. > >Hopefully, this will not turn into a big mess. > >Anne :) > > > >John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> wrote: >Now listen, I don't want to revive that whole mess >about whether or not "live" electronica is boring or >great or whatever. That was one serious bomb of a >thread. At first, I was excited that Mu-Ziq, >Squarepusher, and others were on an American tour. >But, Jesus, it seems as though Squarepusher live just >destroys skulls with processed feedback and drops >verbatim clips from Go Plastic and such. The new >Mu-Ziq...well, parts of it are fucking great: >particularly "Meinheld" and "AEC Merlin." However, >part of me is sad that Paradinas isn't bringing >something fresh like he did with Lunatic Harness or >even Full Sunken Breaks. The bulk of Bilious Paths is >the same Cubase/Hyperprism/Audiomulch inventory check >of plug-ins with a few glimmers of the melodic >signature of Mike P. Anyway, can someone convince me >that it would be worth the drive, money, and effort? I >really want to have faith here. Respond freely to >anything I said. >Counts > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >

-- John von Seggern producer remixer DJ Digital Cutup Lounge [Los Angeles / Hong Kong] <http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com> film and TV scoring with Terra Incognito [Los Angeles] <http://www.terra-incognito.us> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org