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2003-03-12 16:56John Reading RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
├─ 2003-03-12 17:06pixilated RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
├─ 2003-03-12 17:10EggyToast RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
└─ 2003-03-12 19:50Josh Steiner Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
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2003-03-12 16:56John Reading> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net] > > I hav
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quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net]
quoted 12 lines I have to re-state again that we at Ninja Tune don't take a> > I have to re-state again that we at Ninja Tune don't take a > particularly > hard stance once way or the other, it just irks me that > people try and take > some moral high-ground on what at the end of the day really > is piracy. I > shoplifted all sorts of shit when I was young and never felt > really bad > about it, but I never tried to pass it off as a cultural revolution. > >
Exactly...All the entitlement issues people seem to have also gets my goat, like it's their god-given right to acquire music for free. Really, really pisses me off. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 17:06pixilatedWhere does your right to monopolize music and ideas come from? Entitlement? Come on. -----
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Where does your right to monopolize music and ideas come from? Entitlement? Come on. -----Original Message----- From: John Reading [mailto:john.reading@us.didata.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:57 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Indie Ethics Exactly...All the entitlement issues people seem to have also gets my goat, like it's their god-given right to acquire music for free. Really, really pisses me off. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 17:10EggyToastJohn Reading said: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@nin
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John Reading said:
quoted 17 lines -----Original Message----->> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net] >> I have to re-state again that we at Ninja Tune don't take a >> particularly >> hard stance once way or the other, it just irks me that >> people try and take >> some moral high-ground on what at the end of the day really >> is piracy. I >> shoplifted all sorts of shit when I was young and never felt >> really bad >> about it, but I never tried to pass it off as a cultural revolution. >> >> > > Exactly...All the entitlement issues people seem to have also gets my > goat, like it's their god-given right to acquire music for free. > Really, really pisses me off.
I rarely download music, and when I do, it's only when I'm unsure about a release I'm considering buying. I wouldn't download anything if I could listen to something before i buy it. One of the things that sold me on early idm purchases of mine ("Stay Down," "music has the right to children") were the 2 minute samples up on Warp's site. Of course, not every label has the means to do such a thing, but I think it's rather short sighted for anyone to assume people should just buy an album of music for enjoyment without knowing if they enjoy it. Music is the only medium I can think of where you're forced to buy something whose only purpose is personal enjoyment without even the option of sampling a small portion -- at least with movies, you can rent them from somewhere first for cheap, or download trailers for free. I've never been one to say that mp3's are the consumer's right to have, or that downloading full albums and listening to them all the time to the exclusion of owning the actual album is right, but they certainly can have a purpose that labels can use to their advantage in their current form. -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 19:50Josh Steinerof *course* its your god given right to listen to whatever you can, read whatever you can,
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of *course* its your god given right to listen to whatever you can, read whatever you can, learn whatever you want, say what ever you want. it has *always* been this way. the concept that you might control what i am able to learn is such a bastardization of logic, morality and the laws of all modern democracies it makes me sick. seriously, THINK about the implications of what you are saying. you think that the government (or anyone for that matter) has the right to dictate what information i am allowed to digest? did you all fail basic civics??? you people need some serious schooling on the history of IP. here is a great quote that i got from a wire article on the subject: * "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." - Thomas Jefferson **http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.03/economy.ideas.html* * i've got some ben franklin quotes around here somewhere.... **please, dont just spout dogma, open your mind, dont think that because the law says something that it is right. THINK for yourself.*
quoted 4 lines Exactly...All the entitlement issues people seem to have also gets my>Exactly...All the entitlement issues people seem to have also gets my >goat, like it's their god-given right to acquire music for free. >Really, really pisses me off. >
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