Jeff-
I would say that downloading music is an artisitc staement as it
indicates a judgemnet that something has artistic merit.
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:47 AM
To: pixilated; idm
Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
You can make plenty of great art without copyright enforcement, however
making money off it (if that's the aim) is a lot easier to navigate with
copyrights in effect.
I can say without a doubt that downloading a track is not an artistic
statement. Show me the "art" in it and I'll back down (cue massive
argument
about what constitutes art).
As for sampling, I can argue all day that it's justified as an art form
whether one pays for the samples or not. I believe copyright should
protect
works in their original state, but shouldn't impede someone from using
that
work to make a new form of art.
Jeff
quoted 8 lines From: "pixilated" <pixilated@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG>
> From: "pixilated" <pixilated@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG>
> Organization: Dartmouth College
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:10:02 -0500
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
>
> Seeing as how plenty of great art was produced without the enforcement
> of intellectual property, I don't see how it is evident that you havequoted 4 lines have copyright law to survive as an artist. I also don't think you can
> have copyright law to survive as an artist. I also don't think you can
> say what is or is not an artistic statement. If you pay for all the
> samples that you use, hey, you're a nice, law-abiding citizen and I'm
> sure the government and its pals are happy about it. If you are goingquoted 1 line sample some stuff and not pay for it, I don't see how you can justify
> sample some stuff and not pay for it, I don't see how you can justifyquoted 16 lines by saying you are doing it for "artistic" reappropriation.
> by saying you are doing it for "artistic" reappropriation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
>
> Yes, I only have to pay for samples because of the existing structure,
> but it's that same structure that allows us and our artist to make a
> living so I'm not complaining.
>
> Yes, all art samples. I fail to see where your argument is going here
> (or at least how it's an argument to what I posted). I'm not saying
> where the line is drawn, I'm simply saying that downloading a piece of
> music is not an artistic statement, therefore it's a completelyquoted 13 lines argument to sampling. The original reason I posted was because homeboy
> argument to sampling. The original reason I posted was because homeboy
> was suggesting that I was a hypocrite to take a stance on downloading
> when I run a label that releases some sample based music. Both involve
> copyright issues, but they're very different arguments.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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