dude, i'm really not into discussing issues
with people who put words into my mouth
and vastly incorrect meaning
to things i've said. i might as well be arguing
with a brick wall. furthermore i'd rather not
argue a series of hypothetical circumstances
that really get off tangent of the issue at hand.
you disagree with this ? fine.
you have a different opinion fine.
people who steal always try to find a way to justify
it, or trivialize it by saying things like i didn't really hurt anyone
or cause a physical loss. the saddest part is that they
don't realize there just shooting themselves in the foot
when they steal. the "wound" just may not appear right away.
i've already made the points i've intended to.
if there lost on you or someone else, there's not much point in
continuing.
so i'm going to politely bow out now.
john
quoted 1 line Josh Steiner <joschi@eds.org> 03/11/03 05:25PM >>>
>>> Josh Steiner <joschi@eds.org> 03/11/03 05:25PM >>>
John Hager wrote:
quoted 4 lines well if i stole a copy of 'Thriller' from
>well if i stole a copy of 'Thriller' from
>Walmart he wouldn't go looking for it either,
>but he would suffer a financial loss for that item.
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*exactly* ... stealing a copy from tower deprives tower of 1 cd that
they paid money for, its plain indefensible theft... so explain how
downloading some data from another random person *deprives* tower of
anyhting? before you suggest that M.J. looses the money that he would
have gotten had i bought the record, remember that i would rather die
before i bought a MJ album :) the futures argument doesnt hold much
water.
quoted 12 lines the cd that MJ sells for money in your music
>the cd that MJ sells for money in your music
>store is a mass produced COPY that is offered
>to the public to own a copy for a price....
>MJ is not offering mp3 copies for free.
>otherwise he wouldn't copyright and sell the cd.
>the copy of the music, is what your taking
>from MJ, knowing he's not offering it for free.
>that fact that you have it in mp3
>format instead of a cd still doesn't change the fact
>you that you took a copy of his music without paying for it
>or authorization.
>
so there we go, now we've moved past the theft, MJ has not been
deprived
of anything, so what you are now venturing into is what right do i have
to listen to something without paying... well, do i owe michael jackson
money if i stand outside my neighbors window as he's rockin out to the
'85 sounds? afterall, i'm listening to MJ's music and he isnt offering
free performances in my neighborhood. no, thats rediculous. michael
has no right to collect money because his concepts enter my brain.
the burden of proof is on the accusor in this society, and i just have
yet to see a compelling argument explaining how my listening to a song
depreives anyone of anything.
quoted 13 lines john
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>really? stealing implies that you *take* something from someone, if
i
quoted 2 lines download an mp3 of thriller, does michael jackson spend an hour
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>download an mp3 of thriller, does michael jackson spend an hour
digging
quoted 21 lines through his record collection trying to find the copy that i "stole"
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>through his record collection trying to find the copy that i "stole"
>from him?
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>intellectual property is a broken concept.
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>c wrote:
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>>i guess stealing would be a more appropiate term.
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>>C Twomey wrote:
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>>>I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music
biz
quoted 18 lines has given to file
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>>>sharing/downloading. Previously "pirating" was the unlicensed
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>manufacture of hit records
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>>>for retail - like someone in South America copying Michael Jackson
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>records and importing
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>>>them cheaply into the US. Now RIAA is trying to brand
fans/consumers
quoted 41 lines as pirates which is
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>as pirates which is
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>>>wrong by definition and just plain stupid as a strategy. - CT
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>>>>>I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on
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