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I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this list. People always talking about how they refuse to pay for records on this list, then I get to hear about how marketing is evil and sexist. And warp is sexist and evil becuase Mira Claix is female and talentless. sorry, but I think I'm making a good point.

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> -----Original Message----- > From: ben gill [mailto:gillette_foamy@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:13 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] john, quiet down. > > > One of the great things about having a mind is knowing > when to shut up. If you can't come up with anything > better than the last line of your email below, it's > one of those circumstances. Learn this and you'll > fool many people into believing you're a well-reasoned > man. > > Ben > > --- John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote: > > ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she > > is a nerdy, > > attractive woman. > > > > you all would get fired from your marketing jobs > > lickety-split. > > > > What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, > > introspective male geeks" is. > > YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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John Reading said:

quoted 7 lines I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this

> > I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this > list. > > People always talking about how they refuse to pay for records on this > list, then I get to hear about how marketing is evil and sexist. And > warp is sexist and evil becuase Mira Claix is female and talentless.

I bought a Mira Calix release, direct from Warpmart. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an mp3 only release. im an artist. it is the right thing to do. mp3's arent hurting metallica, they hurt the indie labels and artists. nothing wrong with mp3's themselves it is how they are used (or misused) if you support indie music, you buy the release. i was at a radio station once where the dj's (rather than buy and support the cool music they loved so much) would hook up a laptop to the internet and stream mp3's over the airwaves.........something just not right about that in my world im sure i'll catch flack for my comments, but that is my two cents as both a consumer and an artist. John Reading wrote:

quoted 54 lines I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this

> I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this > list. > > People always talking about how they refuse to pay for records on this > list, then I get to hear about how marketing is evil and sexist. And > warp is sexist and evil becuase Mira Claix is female and talentless. > > sorry, but I think I'm making a good point. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ben gill [mailto:gillette_foamy@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:13 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [idm] john, quiet down. > > > > > > One of the great things about having a mind is knowing > > when to shut up. If you can't come up with anything > > better than the last line of your email below, it's > > one of those circumstances. Learn this and you'll > > fool many people into believing you're a well-reasoned > > man. > > > > Ben > > > > --- John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote: > > > ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she > > > is a nerdy, > > > attractive woman. > > > > > > you all would get fired from your marketing jobs > > > lickety-split. > > > > > > What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, > > > introspective male geeks" is. > > > YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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c said:

quoted 13 lines no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an

> no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an > mp3 only release. > im an artist. it is the right thing to do. mp3's arent hurting > metallica, they hurt the indie labels and artists. nothing wrong with > mp3's themselves it is how they are used (or misused) if you support > indie music, you buy the release. > > i was at a radio station once where the dj's (rather than buy and > support the cool music they loved so much) would hook up a laptop to > the internet and stream mp3's over the airwaves.........something just > not right about that in my world > im sure i'll catch flack for my comments, but that is my two cents as > both a consumer and an artist.

They don't buy the CD's they play, either. Radio stations are on promo lists and usually get releases for free anyway. Obviously *that's* hurting record labels more than mp3's that require no production costs, eh? Wait, what's radio for again? -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music biz has given to file sharing/downloading. Previously "pirating" was the unlicensed manufacture of hit records for retail - like someone in South America copying Michael Jackson records and importing them cheaply into the US. Now RIAA is trying to brand fans/consumers as pirates which is wrong by definition and just plain stupid as a strategy. - CT John Reading wrote:

quoted 3 lines I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this

> > > I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this > > list.

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C Twomey said:

quoted 7 lines I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music biz

> I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music biz > has given to file sharing/downloading. Previously "pirating" was the > unlicensed manufacture of hit records for retail - like someone in > South America copying Michael Jackson records and importing them > cheaply into the US. Now RIAA is trying to brand fans/consumers as > pirates which is wrong by definition and just plain stupid as a > strategy. - CT

If anything, it causes actual piracy to lose a lot of credibility, despite it being an actual, measurable loss. No one downloads MP3's assuming that they're the real thing, or anything authentic, and the majority of people know that by them downloading music, they are not giving any money to the people who helped make that music. They're not stupid. Actual piracy pulls the blanket over the consumer's eyes and causes them to think a fake product is the actual product. It is a measurable loss, as that consumer *would* buy the actual product if it was not for the pirated product stealing the sale. There are MP3 pirates who attempt to sell CD's full of mp3's at a profit, and others who copy CD covers and attempt to pawn it off as authentic (which is why I'm always skeptical of anyone asking for CD covers). That's where the problem is. The majority of people treat MP3 as if it were radio -- disposable, changing, and something that's just always there. I don't know anyone who purchases every song on the radio, and some people hear a song so often on the radio that they see no reason to purchase it in the first place. That's generally the same amount of "lost sales" assumed by MP3. I agree that artists of all persuasions should be compensated *fairly* for their work, but they're generally compensated by those who enjoy their works. People shouldn't be charged to find out that they hate something. If that is the case, then it's not really art, it's just entertainment, and those artists are just entertainers. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i guess stealing would be a more appropiate term. C Twomey wrote:

quoted 14 lines I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music biz has gi

> I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music biz has given to file > sharing/downloading. Previously "pirating" was the unlicensed manufacture of hit records > for retail - like someone in South America copying Michael Jackson records and importing > them cheaply into the US. Now RIAA is trying to brand fans/consumers as pirates which is > wrong by definition and just plain stupid as a strategy. - CT > > John Reading wrote: > > > > > I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this > > > list. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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really? stealing implies that you *take* something from someone, if i download an mp3 of thriller, does michael jackson spend an hour digging through his record collection trying to find the copy that i "stole" from him? intellectual property is a broken concept. c wrote:

quoted 33 lines i guess stealing would be a more appropiate term.

>i guess stealing would be a more appropiate term. > > > >C Twomey wrote: > > > >>I'd like to point out that "pirating" is the term the RIAA/music biz has given to file >>sharing/downloading. Previously "pirating" was the unlicensed manufacture of hit records >>for retail - like someone in South America copying Michael Jackson records and importing >>them cheaply into the US. Now RIAA is trying to brand fans/consumers as pirates which is >>wrong by definition and just plain stupid as a strategy. - CT >> >>John Reading wrote: >> >> >>>>I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this >>>>list. >>>> >>>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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mmmmmmmmmmm, i was kind of indifferent to this whole topic. But that quesidilla example won me over! Quesidillas are good, Pirates are stinky. End of discussion. Jason -----Original Message----- From: EggyToast [mailto:eggy@eggtastic.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:39 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics c said:

quoted 1 line i guess stealing would be a more appropiate term.

> i guess stealing would be a more appropiate term.

How so? There's no loss of property involved. Each time an MP3 is downloaded, the availability actually increases. it's like the worlds largest quesadilla, that magically gets bigger the more people that eat from it. A giant, growing, love quesadilla. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org