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2003-03-11 20:17John Reading RE: [idm] john, quiet down.
└─ 2003-03-11 20:54EggyToast RE: [idm] john, quiet down.
2003-03-11 20:29c [idm] Indie Ethics
└─ 2003-03-11 20:56EggyToast Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
2003-03-11 21:26cutups Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
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2003-03-11 20:17John ReadingI'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this list. People always ta
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I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this list. People always talking about how they refuse to pay for records on this list, then I get to hear about how marketing is evil and sexist. And warp is sexist and evil becuase Mira Claix is female and talentless. sorry, but I think I'm making a good point.
quoted 41 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: ben gill [mailto:gillette_foamy@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:13 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] john, quiet down. > > > One of the great things about having a mind is knowing > when to shut up. If you can't come up with anything > better than the last line of your email below, it's > one of those circumstances. Learn this and you'll > fool many people into believing you're a well-reasoned > man. > > Ben > > --- John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote: > > ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she > > is a nerdy, > > attractive woman. > > > > you all would get fired from your marketing jobs > > lickety-split. > > > > What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, > > introspective male geeks" is. > > YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-03-11 20:54EggyToastJohn Reading said: > > I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this
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John Reading said:
quoted 7 lines I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this> > I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this > list. > > People always talking about how they refuse to pay for records on this > list, then I get to hear about how marketing is evil and sexist. And > warp is sexist and evil becuase Mira Claix is female and talentless.
I bought a Mira Calix release, direct from Warpmart. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-11 20:29cno john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an mp3 only release. i
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no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an mp3 only release. im an artist. it is the right thing to do. mp3's arent hurting metallica, they hurt the indie labels and artists. nothing wrong with mp3's themselves it is how they are used (or misused) if you support indie music, you buy the release. i was at a radio station once where the dj's (rather than buy and support the cool music they loved so much) would hook up a laptop to the internet and stream mp3's over the airwaves.........something just not right about that in my world im sure i'll catch flack for my comments, but that is my two cents as both a consumer and an artist. John Reading wrote:
quoted 54 lines I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this> I'd like to see a show of hands of people that don't priate on this > list. > > People always talking about how they refuse to pay for records on this > list, then I get to hear about how marketing is evil and sexist. And > warp is sexist and evil becuase Mira Claix is female and talentless. > > sorry, but I think I'm making a good point. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ben gill [mailto:gillette_foamy@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:13 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: [idm] john, quiet down. > > > > > > One of the great things about having a mind is knowing > > when to shut up. If you can't come up with anything > > better than the last line of your email below, it's > > one of those circumstances. Learn this and you'll > > fool many people into believing you're a well-reasoned > > man. > > > > Ben > > > > --- John Reading <john.reading@us.didata.com> wrote: > > > ok, so Warp has Mira Calix on the label because she > > > is a nerdy, > > > attractive woman. > > > > > > you all would get fired from your marketing jobs > > > lickety-split. > > > > > > What a cash cow that "appealing to nerdy, > > > introspective male geeks" is. > > > YOU ALL PIRATE YOUR SHIT ANYWAY! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-03-11 20:56EggyToastc said: > no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an > mp3 onl
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quoted 13 lines no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an> no john you make a great point. i pay for all my music unless it is an > mp3 only release. > im an artist. it is the right thing to do. mp3's arent hurting > metallica, they hurt the indie labels and artists. nothing wrong with > mp3's themselves it is how they are used (or misused) if you support > indie music, you buy the release. > > i was at a radio station once where the dj's (rather than buy and > support the cool music they loved so much) would hook up a laptop to > the internet and stream mp3's over the airwaves.........something just > not right about that in my world > im sure i'll catch flack for my comments, but that is my two cents as > both a consumer and an artist.
They don't buy the CD's they play, either. Radio stations are on promo lists and usually get releases for free anyway. Obviously *that's* hurting record labels more than mp3's that require no production costs, eh? Wait, what's radio for again? -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-11 21:26cutups> They don't buy the CD's they play, either. Radio stations are on promo lists > and usual
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quoted 1 line They don't buy the CD's they play, either. Radio stations are on promo> They don't buy the CD's they play, either. Radio stations are on promo
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quoted 6 lines and usually get releases for free anyway.> and usually get releases for free anyway. > > Obviously *that's* hurting record labels more than mp3's that require no > production costs, eh? > > Wait, what's radio for again?
I actually was wondering if there is a reason that college radio hasn't moved to just running straight off a computer. I know the local ones still use cds, which are mailed to them en masse by labels, and often seemed like a pretty big waste. Pretty much any university has the bandwidth to download high-qualitiy copies of trax, so it would seem more efficient to promote that way. - cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 11:54nethedbecause universities all have had letters from the RIAA and their bandwidth costs are bein
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because universities all have had letters from the RIAA and their bandwidth costs are being monitored and some uni networking systems have the ability to control what you can and cant get. in the uk where i'm now teaching a class in advanced music business - talkin about this stuff - the schools on a 56k dialup! at least that's what everyone at the school says... and that wouldnt surprise me knowing the cost to set up a university on broadband in the UK... college radio stations dont run with any large budget from universities...if anyones on the list from college radio - maybe they can tell you how it works - most of them run by the intuition of the students without any related course work. unless things have changed in the states in the last 15 years when i was doin college radio. uni's arent offering how to dj on college radio courses... you just go in there and learn it... they may get a budget of like $20,000 to run the whole station for everything for the year. many of the college stations had to shut down their internet radio operations last year when the CARP bill was introduced because not all of them fell into the exception rule and they were gonna have to pay a lot of money to stream online so they chose to go OFF-LINE. perhaps you werent reading any of the posts on this list and others last year about the death of internet radio due to congressional legislation. Are you aware of what it costs universities, labels, etc to host/stream things like videos, mp3's? I'm talking about the bandwidth bill that's paid on the other side when you download from where you're getting - not a P2P site - but a streaming radio site? Also, most record contracts with labels, from sole operators to majors have "free goods" clauses as yes that's how the record industry works. Artists generally dont get paid royalties on xx number of free goods to enable best efforts for promotion purposes on the part of the label. That means that a label has the option to decide HOW best to promote the artist: they might want to give promos to one dj for an exclusive, they might want to give 500 CD's away to college radio, they might want to spend the money on a video or an MTV campaign. They might want to circulate some mp3s to generate interest - they might wanna run a pay per listen/view campaign for something in advance. btw: I wish to qualify that these comments do not necessarily reflect the opinions or policy of the email address i have. i'm speakin in general terms with points of information. I'm 100% behind the comments Jeff posted yesterday. nH
quoted 14 lines I actually was wondering if there is a reason that college radio> >I actually was wondering if there is a reason that college radio >hasn't moved to just running straight off a computer. I know the >local ones still use cds, which are mailed to them en masse by >labels, and often seemed like a pretty big waste. Pretty much >any university has the bandwidth to download high-qualitiy >copies of trax, so it would seem more efficient to promote that way. > >- cutups > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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