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2003-03-10 19:10Nate Schmold [idm] OT [idm] ...Plone dropped... or Compression
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2003-03-10 19:10Nate Schmolddoes the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound page)posess proper
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does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound page)posess proper compression. I know i recognize compression being used but it sounds like its fading out the melody when the kick hits.. is this actually a good example of compression usage, or if i do this in my songs will people laugh and point at me and my tomfoolery? thanks for help. lovenate --------------- Original Message Follows ------------------ From: john.reading@us.didata.com (John Reading) listen to mira album here: http://www.warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?cat=WARP104 -------------------------------------- : neferiu records - beauty, electronic www.neferiu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-10 19:28EggyToastNate Schmold said: > does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sou
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Nate Schmold said:
quoted 5 lines does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound> does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound > page)posess proper compression. I know i recognize compression being > used but it sounds like its fading out the melody when the kick hits.. > is this actually a good example of compression usage, or if i do this > in my songs will people laugh and point at me and my tomfoolery?
In my opinion, it's not really a good example. At least of "proper" compression. She may have been trying to do that in the first place in which case it's supposed to sound like that, or it could be a side effect of the normalization prior to converting the songs to put on the site. Anyway, yeah, compression will simply reduce the volume of bits when they hit a certain limit. Most likely, the final track was run through a compressor, instead of compressing each track on its own. A *good* example of compression probably wouldn't be detectable. Listen to "turquoise hexagon sun" by Boards of Canada. Notice how the melody doesn't get quieter when the drums kick in, despite them being of a similar loudness? If the final track was run through compression, those drums would affect the melody line, instead of sitting happily next to them as they do in the song you hear. If you're honestly looking for advice, I'd say it's best to run each track through compression on its own, so you can match up the volumes easier without having the different parts of a track negatively affect other parts. That would also be a good question to ask of a mr. kent williams, resident mastering master on the idm-making list. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-10 20:59Kent williamsThat sort of "high frequencies go way when the bass booms" thing is in fact an artifact of
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That sort of "high frequencies go way when the bass booms" thing is in fact an artifact of over-compressing the entire mix. Individually compressing all sounds will tend to minimize this and give you a more even mix. That technique can be over-used as well. Listening to a track made that way, but too compressed, is a lot like trying to eat tough, dense bread where the yeast didn't work. EVERYTHING sounds all mashed and thick. In general I try to compress bass sounds and any 'through the air' sounds (vocals, instruments, percussion) and let everything else kind of have its own way. Then I just try and get an uncompressed mixdown that sound the way I want it to sound. The mastering stage after that, I start out just using a limiter and seeing if I can get things up to -12dB RMS without killing the sound of the mix. If that doesn't seem to be possible, I'll use a multiband compressor to try and manage the unruly frequency bands a bit better. And if the limiter seems to be making things a bit too crunchy, I'll put a DE-Esser in front of it to shave off some of the high frequencies around the peaks. Your best bet is going to do the least amount of processing as a last resort, and to try and make your source material sound as good as possible so you don't have to fix it in the mix. I'm not averse to using some channel EQ from time to time; but it's good to try and use it to cut instead of boost. On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 27 lines Nate Schmold said:> Nate Schmold said: > > does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound > > page)posess proper compression. I know i recognize compression being > > used but it sounds like its fading out the melody when the kick hits.. > > is this actually a good example of compression usage, or if i do this > > in my songs will people laugh and point at me and my tomfoolery? > > In my opinion, it's not really a good example. At least of "proper" > compression. She may have been trying to do that in the first place in which > case it's supposed to sound like that, or it could be a side effect of the > normalization prior to converting the songs to put on the site. > > Anyway, yeah, compression will simply reduce the volume of bits when they hit > a certain limit. Most likely, the final track was run through a compressor, > instead of compressing each track on its own. A *good* example of > compression probably wouldn't be detectable. Listen to "turquoise hexagon > sun" by Boards of Canada. Notice how the melody doesn't get quieter when the > drums kick in, despite them being of a similar loudness? If the final track > was run through compression, those drums would affect the melody line, > instead of sitting happily next to them as they do in the song you hear. If > you're honestly looking for advice, I'd say it's best to run each track > through compression on its own, so you can match up the volumes easier > without having the different parts of a track negatively affect other parts. > > That would also be a good question to ask of a mr. kent williams, resident > mastering master on the idm-making list. >
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2003-03-10 19:27cuse compression in a way that sounds good to you. Nate Schmold wrote: > does the track : '
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use compression in a way that sounds good to you. Nate Schmold wrote:
quoted 20 lines does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound page)pos> does the track : 'A19 - You Open Always' (on that warp Mira Calix sound page)posess proper compression. I know i recognize compression being used but it sounds like its fading out the melody when the kick hits.. is this actually a good example of compression usage, or if i do this in my songs will people laugh and point at me and my tomfoolery? > > thanks for help. > > lovenate > > --------------- Original Message Follows ------------------ > From: john.reading@us.didata.com (John Reading) > > listen to mira album here: > > http://www.warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?cat=WARP104 > > -------------------------------------- > : neferiu records - beauty, electronic > www.neferiu.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-03-10 21:52enamelshrugs@hotmail.comnaturally, there's nothing wrong with experimentation and misuse of technology. especially
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naturally, there's nothing wrong with experimentation and misuse of technology. especially in a digital environment where the equipment is virtual and there's almost no chance that you could actually damage any of your "equipment" by driving anything too hard. listen to track 5 on ae's EP7... i love the way the compression is misused on that track... in fact, listen to all of EP7 as i think it may well be a fairly common attribute of that release. makes things sound dirty and... claustrophobic?... i dunno. i love that sound, although i do think it can be overused. as far as calix' use of it in that track on the warp site... i think i'd have to hear it on cd or vinyl to be able to tell if it's (as was suggested before) some kind of accidental thing involved in getting it ready for the web, instead of a deliberate stylistic gesture... but i guess i'd be tempted to throw her the benefit of the doubt, and say that's it's most likely not just accidental 'bad' production. i think she knows what she's doing, even if it doesn't perhaps appeal to me at all times. at any rate, there's my two cents. -b. p.s.-anyone listened to that jetone "autumnmonia" release? there's a fellow who seems to have developed a uniquely (to my ear at any rate) 'compressed' sound to his percussion. sounds airless. in a good way. the ultramarin release on force seems to feature some of that similar sound... but not quite as prevalently... perhaps more 'tastefully'... and a live show i picked up sounds really neat and compressed too actually.. christ, what an unwieldy post script... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org