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2003-02-26 19:46Eric [idm] Re: SIRIUS
2003-02-26 22:07Sean Re: [idm] Re: SIRIUS
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2003-02-26 19:46Eric> From: "John Reading" <john.reading@us.didata.com> > It's a corporation no-doubt, but the
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quoted 4 lines From: "John Reading" <john.reading@us.didata.com>> From: "John Reading" <john.reading@us.didata.com> > It's a corporation no-doubt, but they do have a decent electronica > channel and they have a couple unsigned band channels and play some good > post-rock stuff. Don't be such an ass.
Please. With the number of nerdy electronica and postrock fans around there is no excuse to settle for decent. "Good enough never is" and all that. Call me an idealist, but why even tune in when I can listen to real noncorporate netradio that plays better music, or that I can set up my own streaming rather easily? It's a weak value proposition, as they say in the boardrooms.
quoted 3 lines The best part is that they have no commercials and aren't driven by ad> The best part is that they have no commercials and aren't driven by ad > revenues. There business is not so great now, but maybe after they get > more subscriptions they could offer more "underground" programming.
This is a direct contradiction of their manifesto. You're saying that they'll get to the noncorporate stuff just as soon as they take care of the corporate stuff. I don't care if they have to do it this way, and I'm not interested in coming up with better ways for them to do it right. By your speculation above, their manifesto is not supportable by their business model, and beyond that their manifesto - if carried into being - would alienate the suppliers they depend on to satisfy the corporation.
quoted 2 lines Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, isn't it nice> Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, isn't it nice > to at least hear that stance for a major corporation??
It's suspicious if anything. What possible gain could a "major corporation" have from promoting an anticorporate stance? I'll tell you what: the 60's brought about the advertising and marketing techniques of co-opting counterculture and whoever is behind SIRIUS is no doubt just trying to cash in on the most obvious untapped target demographic: anti-RIAA bods. Nobody needs corporate broadcasting anymore. -e --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 22:07SeanFrom: Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:46:33 -0800 >It's suspicious i
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From: Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:46:33 -0800
quoted 3 lines It's suspicious if anything. What possible gain could a "major corporation">It's suspicious if anything. What possible gain could a "major corporation" have from promoting an anticorporate stance? I'll >tell you what: the 60's brought about the advertising and marketing techniques of co-opting counterculture and whoever is >behind SIRIUS is no doubt just trying to cash in on the most obvious untapped target demographic: anti-RIAA bods.
they're playing some "underground," not-so-popular music, not fighting any sort of war against corporations. and they're hardly a "major corporation."
quoted 1 line Nobody needs corporate broadcasting anymore.>Nobody needs corporate broadcasting anymore.
what the hell is the difference? corporate != bad. i work for an independent, INCORPORATED bookstore. we are not evil people. it's simply a way to run a business. there are incorporated "underground" record labels, many of which are supported by members of this list (gasp!). - sean _______________________________________________________________________ Sent via Pace University's WebMail system at stmail.pace.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 22:32Greg ClowAt 05:07 PM 26/02/03, Sean wrote: > >It's suspicious if anything. What possible gain could
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At 05:07 PM 26/02/03, Sean wrote:
quoted 5 lines It's suspicious if anything. What possible gain could a "major> >It's suspicious if anything. What possible gain could a "major > corporation" have from promoting an anticorporate stance? > >they're playing some "underground," not-so-popular music, not fighting any >sort of war against corporations.
They have a "manifesto" that includes the phrase "corporate agenda OFF". While calling it a "war" may not be accurate, it is quite a blatant attempt to portray themselves as some sort of rebellious indie underdog.
quoted 1 line and they're hardly a "major corporation."> and they're hardly a "major corporation."
According to their management structure, they have a President/CEO, five Executive Vice-Presidents, three senior VPs, and five VPs. Not exactly AOL Time Warner or Vivendi or Clear Channel, but still fairly substantial
quoted 6 lines Nobody needs corporate broadcasting anymore.> >Nobody needs corporate broadcasting anymore. > >what the hell is the difference? corporate != bad. i work for an >independent, INCORPORATED bookstore. we are not evil people. it's simply a >way to run a business. there are incorporated "underground" record labels, >many of which are supported by members of this list (gasp!).
This is a question of semantics. The word "corporate" has become shorthand for "large corporations that do (insert bad thing here)", whether that bad thing happens to be doing nasty things to the environment, taking unfair advantage of cheap labour overseas, or co-opting "underground" culture in an attempt to sell their generic wares to the "cool kids". There are levels of "evilness" here, obviously. In the grand scheme of things Sirius and their so-called "guerilla marketing" tactics are pretty insignificant. But it's still fun to bitch about. :) Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org