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Re: [idm] reading skills

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◇ merged from 2 subjects: reading skills · sirius: more on satellite radio
2003-02-26 16:38John Reading RE: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
└─ 2003-02-26 16:47Aaron Meyers Re: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
└─ 2003-02-26 17:48ben gill [idm] reading skills
└─ 2003-02-26 18:01Aaron Meyers Re: [idm] reading skills
└─ 2003-02-27 02:51ben gill Re: [idm] reading skills
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2003-02-26 16:38John ReadingOk, the last thing I'll say about this. Yes, I see your point, but the fact that is that i
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:38:38 -0500
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RE: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
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Ok, the last thing I'll say about this. Yes, I see your point, but the fact that is that if you look at FM radio in the United States, SIRIUS is defiantely 180 degrees from that. Maybe they aren't underground, but they do have the "Left of Center" channel which is dedicated to unsigned bands. That alone is the most anit-corporate thing you could find on radio. Plus, they played BoC on the Vortex channel. ;P The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist manifesto marketing? Fact is, everything is marketing... you should know. I'd rather here this kind of marketing, than the usual safe bets corps play.
quoted 52 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Clow [mailto:greg@stainedproductions.com] > > > At 11:16 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote: > > >Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, > isn't it nice > >to at least hear that stance for a major corporation?? > > I actually have no problem with their programming. I don't > expect major > corporations like this one to give much coverage to truly > underground music > of any sort. And I actually like some popular and > non-eletronic music, and > often tune in to www.theiceberg.com to listen to some of their jazz, > 50s/60s and 80s stations. > > What I *do* have a problem with is major corporations taking > supposedly > "underground" & "anti-corporate" stances in order to seem hip > or cool. Do > you really think that Sirius' stance here is anything more > than a publicity > stunt? They've printed up 11 MILLION of these "manifestoes" > according to > their press release. It's marketing, pure and simple. > > It's like Nike opening an "underground" nightclub in the area > of town where > lots of punks, artists & other freaks live and hang out > (which is exactly > what happened here in Toronto last summer). I view it as an > insult to the > underground artists, small-scale promoters, and ultra-indie > record labels > that ARE working at the street level, fighting to be heard > through the > barrage of corporate-sponsored garbage that is being thrown > at people from > every direction. > > But I'm just a crazy anti-corporate commie pinko, so don't mind me... > > > Greg > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: > greg@stainedproductions.com > ::::::::: concert & event promotions :::
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2003-02-26 16:47Aaron Meyers> > The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist > manifesto marke
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:47:21 -0500
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quoted 5 lines The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist> > The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist > manifesto marketing? Fact is, everything is marketing... you should > know. I'd rather here this kind of marketing, than the usual safe bets > corps play.
The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! Sure, parts were written to appeal to the sensibilities of the proletariat, but marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying to turn a dollar. Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell out the lower class. And what Greg's problem seems to be is that the people at Sirius are commodifying this anti-corporate attitude for their corporate means. I think it sucks too, but it is a common practice in the advertising industry. Selling the images of subcultures and anything living in opposition to the mainstream is everywhere and its nothing new. But it still sucks. So congrats to Sirius for playing BOC tracks when Clear Channel won't, but they are still part of the problem. Until the solution comes along, I'll stick to WFMU's amazing 128kbs stream. -Aaron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 17:48ben gillIt's hard for me to believe that someone who attends/has attended NYU can't read. I guess
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:48:22 -0800 (PST)
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It's hard for me to believe that someone who attends/has attended NYU can't read. I guess another stereotype bites the dust. Ben --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:
quoted 8 lines The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no!> The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! > Sure, parts were > written to appeal to the sensibilities of the > proletariat, but > marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying > to turn a dollar. > Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell > out the lower class.
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2003-02-26 18:01Aaron MeyersOk, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense in front of the whole list, maybe you'd
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:01:25 -0500
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Ok, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense in front of the whole list, maybe you'd like to elaborate on exactly how I can't read. On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:48 PM, ben gill wrote:
quoted 28 lines It's hard for me to believe that someone who> It's hard for me to believe that someone who > attends/has attended NYU can't read. I guess another > stereotype bites the dust. > > Ben > > > --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote: > >> The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! >> Sure, parts were >> written to appeal to the sensibilities of the >> proletariat, but >> marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying >> to turn a dollar. >> Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell >> out the lower class. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-02-27 02:51ben gillYour reply indicates that you don't understand my point (which means, unfortunately, that
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Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:51:54 -0800 (PST)
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Your reply indicates that you don't understand my point (which means, unfortunately, that I think my original post is correct--you can't read). I included your communist manifesto comment to indicate the subject of my statement. The code to my apparently nebulous riddle is: you misread "manifesto" in the author's post. He didn't mean Marx and Engels. Very simple, isn't it? That you'd be so conncerned as to want me to clarify the point is alarming. Ben --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:
quoted 4 lines Ok, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense> Ok, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense > in front of the > whole list, maybe you'd like to elaborate on exactly > how I can't read.
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